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bigdobber
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ESPN and A10
« Thread Started on Jun 7, 2012, 12:48pm »

A college basketball blog on ESPN ranks the most desireable places in the various leagues. In A10, Bonaventure is in bottom 3 with Fordham and Duquesne. Schmidt continues to defy gravity with this program.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #1 on Jun 7, 2012, 12:52pm »

whoever wrote that is a moron

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #2 on Jun 7, 2012, 1:01pm »

Link?

Let's face it, SBU faces a daunting task against its A-10 brethren when it comes to location resources, etc. Indeed, Mark has done a great job.

But let's not kid ourselves, SBU has a lot to offer to prospective players and coaches that many of the other A-10 programs don't. Basketball is the center of the universe on campus, in the community and across the university's alumni. The passion, support and excitement for the program from students, community and alums is second to none within the conference. We saw that with the NCAA send-offs and support at road tournament games a few months ago. Going to SBU, among other things, provides an athlete to be big fish in a small pond. That support combined with the basketball program's history and tradition makes for an attractive sell. It's those components that give SBU an advantage over schools like Duquesne, Fordham, Charlotte, La Salle, etc.

So while SBU may not have a lot of things, it does have many considerable selling points that Mark has done a good job taking advantage of.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #3 on Jun 7, 2012, 1:36pm »

So what! Who are they to determine this? But, thanks ESPN for your help with our already daunting recruiting task!

In my humble opinion - I guess we love it when we get their recognition...But ESPN is really what is wrong with a much of sports today.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #4 on Jun 7, 2012, 1:39pm »

I would appreciate someone posting this for me. ESPN.com go to mens college basketball and the article is there. Thanks.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #5 on Jun 7, 2012, 1:46pm »

The article picks the best and worst coaching JOBS in each conference. Bonaventure is mentioned in the bottom 3 because of its location. This isnt about what we can offer recruits its about what we offer a coach.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketbal....jobs-the-others

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #6 on Jun 7, 2012, 1:57pm »

nj you are correct. I noticed that after I posted and looked up the article. Yet, I did notice in the MAC, Ohio U was ranked as their most desirable. Have you ever been to Athens, Ohio? Not much bigger than Olean and pretty darn remote. Whatever?!

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #7 on Jun 7, 2012, 2:12pm »

Jun 7, 2012, 1:57pm, Phantom wrote:

Location is only one component of the rankings.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #8 on Jun 7, 2012, 3:09pm »

Jun 7, 2012, 2:12pm, adolphlottin wrote:

Jun 7, 2012, 1:57pm, Phantom wrote:

Location is only one component of the rankings.

absolutely adolph. I was just echoing the lone comment mentioned in the article.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #9 on Jun 7, 2012, 3:17pm »

The factors making D1 campuses attractive to coaches are very likely intertwined with what makes a campus and program attractive to a prospective recruit. The ESPN blog appears to have taken into account athletic budget, quality of facilities and overall success -- at least in recent program history.

No one would argue that St. Bonaventure ranks very high in any of these categories. To take some sort of offense when a writer is merely observing the truth serves no purpose. Bona fans are justifiably proud of the traditions of the program and the unique atmosphere that is offered on the campus. Yet for many recruits (and D1-level coaches) those factors mean almost nothing.

Bona fans should enjoy the effort that Coach Schmidt and his staff are making — basically swimming upstream against a strong current that is D1 athletics — and not worry too much about general blogs ranking schools in conferences. If Schmidt and co. can sustain what they have built on, a winning program will be its own best recruiter.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #10 on Jun 7, 2012, 6:51pm »

Mark and family like living in Olean and he totally gets and loves the Bona "cult". A great match. Let's be grateful.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #11 on Jun 7, 2012, 11:19pm »

Maybe I have a bias, but I don't see the draw for playing for a school like Kentucky or Duke.

Obviously they have they greatest facilities around, and make the tourney every year, but they would do that without a top recruit like a Davis or Rivers.

In five years there will probably be five Anthony Davis-type players that pass through Kentucky.

If I were a top recruit, I would go to a school like Bona, Xavier, Temple, or Creighton- all schools with great facilities- they could make a deep run maybe a final 4, and you would be remembered forever.

Hey but maybe that's just me.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #12 on Jun 8, 2012, 1:54am »

I would think the #1 problem, more than location, is girls. I doubt things have changed much since I was there, but there were very few minority girls on campus. That might just enter into a 18 year olds thinking?

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #13 on Jun 8, 2012, 7:14am »

I beleive the story goes that Jeff Ruland stated he was offered a thoroughbred by Kentucky, upon choosing IONA. I am sure that is not all being offered that would not be at Bonas.

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Re: ESPN and A10
« Reply #14 on Jun 10, 2012, 11:01pm »

Jun 7, 2012, 1:46pm, njbona02 wrote:

Their decisions are highly ridiculous to me. While measuring things that make it easier to recruit with (conference, TV, facilities, location), and win; it doesn't really factor in

#1 - Expectations/Job Security

If you win 20 games half the time, graduate your kids and make the dance onces every six years, you'll never buy a drink again in Olean. If you do that at NC State, they run you out of town like Herb Sendak.

An AD once told me that the three worst jobs in America are 3. DePaul, 2. St. John's, 1. UCLA.

#2 - Career trajectory.
If you're Fran Fraschilla, taking the St. John's job is a great move. You were an ESPN analyst, who missed coaching, see what you can do and go back to ESPN when you're done.

For Shaka Smart, that's career suicide.

Jun 7, 2012, 11:19pm, bonaman2013 wrote:

Maybe I have a bias, but I don't see the draw for playing for a school like Kentucky or Duke.

Obviously they have they greatest facilities around, and make the tourney every year, but they would do that without a top recruit like a Davis or Rivers. In five years there will probably be five Anthony Davis-type players that pass through Kentucky.

If I were a top recruit, I would go to a school like Bona, Xavier, Temple, or Creighton- all schools with great facilities- they could make a deep run maybe a final 4, and you would be remembered forever. Hey but maybe that's just me.

I am of the same viewpoint. You can be a cog in the machine: One of 100s of good players, or you can have your banner in the rafters as one of the best in program history.

That's our recruiting niche "Big fish small pond" kids.

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