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« Reply #30 on May 2, 2012, 10:12am » | |
May 2, 2012, 12:56am, Hermit wrote:| Lefty....let me ask you one question.......what "prized" recruits are we looking at???????? |
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None at this particular point in time, since we're late in the spring signing period. This is the moment where we try and find kids who haven't received such big offers. We generally target the "prized" recruits in the late summer/early fall for the next year's class.
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« Reply #31 on May 2, 2012, 10:14am » | |
I asked "how do we know players that sign in the spring 'could be had in the fall?'"
I also asked if Toupane fit the bill for potential A-10 talent?
Hermit asked "what 'prized' recruits are we looking at?"
If you represent the points as fact, we want to know why.
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"Instead, we scramble in the spring and summer for kids who turn out to be just fine (and could have been had in the fall)."
"(W)e should spend less of our time focusing on the really prized recruit who is getting looks from big time programs"
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« Reply #32 on May 2, 2012, 10:16am » | |
May 2, 2012, 1:12am, route16 wrote:Doesn't Toupane satisfy your "obligation" to take on a projects that may mature into A-10 caliber players?
Lefty, It's a good thing the staff didn't take on more recruits in the fall, or they wouldn't be able to take full advantage of that tourney appearance this spring. And how do we know players that sign in the spring "could be had in the fall?" |
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Here is an article that came out after the signing:
ST. BONAVENTURE, N.Y. – Jean Yves Toupane has signed a National Letter of Intent and will join the St. Bonaventure men’s basketball team for the 2012-13 season, head coach Mark Schmidt announced on Wednesday.
Jean Toupane (Jawn two-PAIN), a 6-foot-7, 185-pound small forward from Lee Academy in Maine, is rated as an 85 overall and is regarded as one of the top 100 prospects in the nation at his position by ESPN Recruiting.
“Jean is a long, athletic player with great skills,” said Schmidt on the newest member of the program. “He can really score the ball from the wing and we’re excited to have him join us.”
Toupane was a teammate of fellow Senegal native and current Bona freshman Youssou Ndoye at Lee. The pair were both a part of the Sports for Education and Economic Development (SEEDS) program in Senegal that helped guide them to the United States.
Toupane was named MVP of the NBA’s Basketball Without Borders program in Africa before making his stateside debut at the 2010 Jordan Brand international game, where he also earned MVP honors. The swingman has been listed as one of the top five recruits in Maine and one of the top 25 players in the New England Region.
ESPN rated him an 85, and lists him as one of the top 100 small forwards in the country. I don't view him as a project, but as someone who should be a solid A-10 player in the future.
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« Reply #33 on May 2, 2012, 10:23am » | |
May 2, 2012, 10:14am, route16 wrote:I asked "how do we know players that sign in the spring 'could be had in the fall?'"
I also asked if Toupane fit the bill for potential A-10 talent?
Hermit asked "what 'prized' recruits are we looking at?"
If you represent the points as fact, we want to know why.
Examples:
"Instead, we scramble in the spring and summer for kids who turn out to be just fine (and could have been had in the fall)."
"(W)e should spend less of our time focusing on the really prized recruit who is getting looks from big time programs"
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I am not going to look this up because it is so ridiculous, but go through and see how many teams in the top seven conferences sign players in the early signing period, how many are signed in the late signing period, and how many are signed after the fact. In past years, we have had some problems with low character guys not sticking to their word and I have always held that is not the coaches fault. My bigger concern is when you wait to sign, you stand the chance of getting nothing. It will happen one year.
In addition, while we are currently looking at everyone (see Massey's comment to Chaz) other tems are working on next years class, developing relationships and moving forward.
That said, with Jake's public announcement, I hope this means that we'll be getting news on some players shortly. The one thing this staff has shown is the ability to see talent, which is something many coaches cannot.
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« Reply #34 on May 2, 2012, 10:24am » | |
May 2, 2012, 10:14am, route16 wrote:I asked "how do we know players that sign in the spring 'could be had in the fall?'"
I also asked if Toupane fit the bill for potential A-10 talent?
Hermit asked "what 'prized' recruits are we looking at?"
If you represent the points as fact, we want to know why.
Examples:
"Instead, we scramble in the spring and summer for kids who turn out to be just fine (and could have been had in the fall)."
"(W)e should spend less of our time focusing on the really prized recruit who is getting looks from big time programs"
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Alright, then, here are your answers:
1. Barring injury or academic status, almost all players that sign in the spring could be had in the fall. Programs are allowed to sign players both in the fall and the spring.
2. I think Toupane fits the bill just fine. I have no problem with the signing ... in fact, I rejoice it since it took place in the fall.
3. I answered Hermit's question in my previous post.
Your example of me "representing points as fact" is valid. I stand by that statement. Matthew Wright, Charlon Kloof and Youssou Ndoye are three examples of players that weren't signed until the spring (Ndoye) and summer (Wright, Kloof) who turned out to be just fine, and could have been had in the fall.
There are also several examples of the second quote that you attributed to me. I'm not going to waste my time and go through every recruit that wound up going to a power conference school that we've spent time and resources trying to get to SBU. You can go through the threads and see that for yourself.
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« Reply #35 on May 2, 2012, 11:32am » | |
Toupane is a very nice player. He was on campus this weekend, and from all accounts, really athletic, really smooth jump shot, and high character. I think with us becoming a more uptempo and explosive team next year, he will fit the bill very well.
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« Reply #36 on May 2, 2012, 11:52am » | |
I can't stress enough that recruiting is a two-way street. Just because spring signees can be recruited in the fall, doesn't mean they'll sign with Bonas immediately.
I would love to land a handful of quality recruits right off the bat, but outside Xavier and Temple, that's not how it works in the A-10. Conference programs with recent success like St. Bonaventure are in the same boat.
Saint Louis has managed only one commit - the #91 SF (one below Toupane)
Dayton had two signees going into this spring - the pair of high school teammates are two-star recruits (by ESPN)
UMass has only one commit - a two-star recruit graded 85 like Toupane (ESPN)
These teams aren't settling for projects they hope to transform into A-10 talent.
Important to note: I don't know how many scholarships these programs had available. Bonas has a few (one more with Jake gone). I just don't want to be in a rush to fill them with guys we HOPE will be able to play in a tough conference (Malcolm Eleby).
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« Reply #37 on May 2, 2012, 11:53am » | |
Glad to hear about Toupane being on campus. BUT, is he really 6-7 but only 185 pounds? That seems almost impossible.
Can we lock him in the weight room till fall? Open the door only long enough to slide in Burton Burgers and milkshakes.
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« Reply #38 on May 2, 2012, 12:26pm » | |
@bonniesareback......I guess I'm in a questioning mood......question: do you have inside info (from coaches) on the Bonnies being more uptempo next year, or is it info gleaned from the board?
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« Reply #39 on May 2, 2012, 12:36pm » | |
I don't want to speak for anyone, but with what we have now, its a very logical assumption that the team will be going with a run and gun style. Unless they bring in two starter level bigs in the next couple of months, how could they not? Hammering the ball into the post works if you have a legend-status big man like Nicholson. It doesn't work when your bigs are Ndoye, Simmons, and two guys who are available in May or June.
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« Reply #40 on May 2, 2012, 1:07pm » | |
The signing period ends May 16th. I fully anticipate we will have three new players by next fall. Attempting to predict our style of play as we await the finalized makeup of our team & await how Youssou, Michael & Marquise recuperate is filled with guess work. As we await signings it provides an interesting discussion that will become better informed as the pieces of the puzzle come together.
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« Reply #41 on May 2, 2012, 1:09pm » | |
May 2, 2012, 11:52am, route16 wrote:
Important to note: I don't know how many scholarships these programs had available. Bonas has a few (one more with Jake gone). I just don't want to be in a rush to fill them with guys we HOPE will be able to play in a tough conference (Malcolm Eleby).
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You realize Eleby was actually a pretty good recruit and a good get for Bonaventure being a 3 star guard recruit from Philly, and he just didn't pan out, right?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malcolm-Eleby-57645
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« Reply #42 on May 2, 2012, 1:22pm » | |
I am surprised under weaknesses for Eleby they don't mention ability to make layups.
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« Reply #43 on May 2, 2012, 2:20pm » | |
May 2, 2012, 11:52am, route16 wrote:I can't stress enough that recruiting is a two-way street. Just because spring signees can be recruited in the fall, doesn't mean they'll sign with Bonas immediately.
I would love to land a handful of quality recruits right off the bat, but outside Xavier and Temple, that's not how it works in the A-10. Conference programs with recent success like St. Bonaventure are in the same boat.
Saint Louis has managed only one commit - the #91 SF (one below Toupane)
Dayton had two signees going into this spring - the pair of high school teammates are two-star recruits (by ESPN)
UMass has only one commit - a two-star recruit graded 85 like Toupane (ESPN)
These teams aren't settling for projects they hope to transform into A-10 talent.
Important to note: I don't know how many scholarships these programs had available. Bonas has a few (one more with Jake gone). I just don't want to be in a rush to fill them with guys we HOPE will be able to play in a tough conference (Malcolm Eleby).
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Why do you keep harping on Malcolm Eleby? He was a good signing at the time by the former coach who didn't develop as expected. Ultimately, Eleby is one fall signing that didn't work out.
I'll point to JR Bremer, Tim Winn, Marques Green, Mike Gansey, Ahmad Smith, Michael Lee, Demetrius Conger and Andrew Nicholson as productive fall signings. I'll even ask you this: When was the last time a spring or summer Bona signing -- that wasn't some sort of transfer -- made an All-A10 first, second or third team? I can't think of one off the top of my head. That illustrates the importance of fall signings. Those are your keystone, top notch players.
As Lefty has said, we need to zero in on the Ahmad Smith, Conger, Bremer and Green types who have been overlooked by some of the bigger programs, who are motivated, and who will work hard and get better throughout their four years on campus.
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« Reply #44 on May 2, 2012, 3:26pm » | |
May 2, 2012, 2:20pm, adolphlottin wrote:
May 2, 2012, 11:52am, route16 wrote:I can't stress enough that recruiting is a two-way street. Just because spring signees can be recruited in the fall, doesn't mean they'll sign with Bonas immediately.
I would love to land a handful of quality recruits right off the bat, but outside Xavier and Temple, that's not how it works in the A-10. Conference programs with recent success like St. Bonaventure are in the same boat.
Saint Louis has managed only one commit - the #91 SF (one below Toupane)
Dayton had two signees going into this spring - the pair of high school teammates are two-star recruits (by ESPN)
UMass has only one commit - a two-star recruit graded 85 like Toupane (ESPN)
These teams aren't settling for projects they hope to transform into A-10 talent.
Important to note: I don't know how many scholarships these programs had available. Bonas has a few (one more with Jake gone). I just don't want to be in a rush to fill them with guys we HOPE will be able to play in a tough conference (Malcolm Eleby).
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Why do you keep harping on Malcolm Eleby? He was a good signing at the time by the former coach who didn't develop as expected. Ultimately, Eleby is one fall signing that didn't work out.
I'll point to JR Bremer, Tim Winn, Marques Green, Mike Gansey, Ahmad Smith, Michael Lee, Demetrius Conger and Andrew Nicholson as productive fall signings. I'll even ask you this: When was the last time a spring or summer Bona signing -- that wasn't some sort of transfer -- made an All-A10 first, second or third team? I can't think of one off the top of my head. That illustrates the importance of fall signings. Those are your keystone, top notch players.
As Lefty has said, we need to zero in on the Ahmad Smith, Conger, Bremer and Green types who have been overlooked by some of the bigger programs, who are motivated, and who will work hard and get better throughout their four years on campus. |
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Agree 100% People cannot truly believe that the current recruiting process is healthy to continue for the next couple of years. In addition to trying to find diamonds in the rough and those that somehow slipped through the cracks, recruiting this hard in the spring and summer doesnt allow us to recruit for the fall. We hit the lottery with Kloof but we really need to get into a healthier recruiting process.
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