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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #15 on Jun 20, 2012, 1:51pm »

It's not any secret that he transferred to play for his dad, my questions why would he stay at RI? Besides, I'm sure that Hurley wants to get as many of his recruits on board ASAP and scholarships are renewed and rescinded yearly.

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« Reply #16 on Jun 20, 2012, 2:13pm »

Talk about a nose dive. From Viriginia to URI and now potentially Canisius. Beginning to wonder if the only way he gets any significant PT is if daddy is the coach.

While I think the article is valid, I do think its unfair to single one person out. However, it's interesting that Bill E. Midnight (per the thread title) gets a free pass from the compassionate Bona fans but Eli Carter and D. Mill are considered evil doers for changing their minds.

Bery, Bery, interesting.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #17 on Jun 20, 2012, 2:30pm »

Apparently I am the only person who is over the whole Baron thing. The kid's dad was a coach at Bona's -- a long time ago -- and played at Bona's -- a really long time ago. The family's relevance to Bona's now? Unless Billy wants to wear the Brown and White, (which would be just fine with me) well, then there is no relevance.

Get over the Jimmy-abandoned-us deal. His leaving was messy, and I wasn't thrilled about it at the time. Fine. But we don't need to be haunted all these years later by this family. That was midnight. This is a bright new morning.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #18 on Jun 20, 2012, 2:49pm »

Yet another reason to root soundly against the Canisius Golden Girls.

I'm going to be consistent. I have zero respect for these guys that don't honor their committments (bonas or no bonas). At least Millinghaus and Carter only did it once, when they were 18. This is number 4 for Bill Midnight (URI/Virginia/URI again/some crappy Buffalo school)

- whats going to happen when/if Big Baron bails on Canisius for more money? Will he be able to transfer yet again????

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #19 on Jun 20, 2012, 2:59pm »

Jun 20, 2012, 2:13pm, demourse wrote:

Talk about a nose dive. From Viriginia to URI and now potentially Canisius. Beginning to wonder if the only way he gets any significant PT is if daddy is the coach.

While I think the article is valid, I do think its unfair to single one person out. However, it's interesting that Bill E. Midnight (per the thread title) gets a free pass from the compassionate Bona fans but Eli Carter and D. Mill are considered evil doers for changing their minds.

Bery, Bery, interesting.

Those others don't a get a free pass because those others spurned SBU and Baron didn't. It's as simple as that. Baron's comings and goings have no direct effect on SBU, therefore most don't have a passionate opinion about it.

Looking at the whole picture, I think the athletes deserve a little more freedom when it comes to movement, as institutions hold quite a bit a power over them. It's the institutions who decide if scholarships will be renewed (sometimes based purely on athletics) on a yearly basis, while the athlete is bound by a four-year agreement and is only allowed out of that agreement (most often conditionally) by the institution. All the while, the coaches that make promises to these athletes are free to come and go as they please.

At the same time, if athletes don't receive instant gratification, their first move is to transfer instead of sticking it out. Commitment and loyalty are at an all-time low. That's the culture now. The NCAA has plenty to fix.

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« Reply #20 on Jun 20, 2012, 4:55pm »

Get real - JB did'nt leave Bonas, he was shone the door by our knuckleheaded President for Life Wick. JB landed the URI job after being told in no uncertain words that his services would no longer be required.
Yet another alum who bled brown and white turned out by the ever diplomatic Wick. The repercussions of his ill fated, destructive leadership tenure at still being felt. This man very nearly destroyed over a century of tradition and respect. What a disgrace.
JB is a member of our common SBU fraternity, and always will be.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #21 on Jun 20, 2012, 9:18pm »

Jun 20, 2012, 4:55pm, firstdev wrote:

Get real - JB did'nt leave Bonas, he was shone the door by our knuckleheaded President for Life Wick. JB landed the URI job after being told in no uncertain words that his services would no longer be required.

Huh? The guy got an extension about a year before leaving. What you are claiming is JB got fired from SBU and that is far from the truth. Amazing the lengths people will go to protect JB's image. If the only knew the truth and that goes beyond his days at SBU. Quite the family man.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #22 on Jun 21, 2012, 12:33am »

Jun 20, 2012, 2:59pm, adolphlottin wrote:

Jun 20, 2012, 2:13pm, demourse wrote:

Talk about a nose dive. From Viriginia to URI and now potentially Canisius. Beginning to wonder if the only way he gets any significant PT is if daddy is the coach.

While I think the article is valid, I do think its unfair to single one person out. However, it's interesting that Bill E. Midnight (per the thread title) gets a free pass from the compassionate Bona fans but Eli Carter and D. Mill are considered evil doers for changing their minds.

Bery, Bery, interesting.

Those others don't a get a free pass because those others spurned SBU and Baron didn't. It's as simple as that. Baron's comings and goings have no direct effect on SBU, therefore most don't have a passionate opinion about it.

Looking at the whole picture, I think the athletes deserve a little more freedom when it comes to movement, as institutions hold quite a bit a power over them. It's the institutions who decide if scholarships will be renewed (sometimes based purely on athletics) on a yearly basis, while the athlete is bound by a four-year agreement and is only allowed out of that agreement (most often conditionally) by the institution. All the while, the coaches that make promises to these athletes are free to come and go as they please.

At the same time, if athletes don't receive instant gratification, their first move is to transfer instead of sticking it out. Commitment and loyalty are at an all-time low. That's the culture now. The NCAA has plenty to fix.

The reason he gets a pass is he has kept his word. He committed to UVA, played there a yeart and transferred. He transferred to URI, played there and is leaving. D.Mill and Eli C. committed and then turned their backs for something they felt was better without even trying it. I'd have no problem with either if they came after committing and then decided Bonas wasn't their cup of tea. That happens.

Let's face it, the reason the NCAA gives exemptions to coaches son is that it would be uncomfortable for them to play for their fathers successor, and it may be uncomfortable for the new coach as well.

However, I think they would give an exemption for anywhere, why go from UVA to URI to Canisius. Next year he'll transfer to Gannon, then Jamestown CC.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #23 on Jun 21, 2012, 7:36am »

Jun 21, 2012, 12:33am, efsboca wrote:

Jun 20, 2012, 2:59pm, adolphlottin wrote:

Those others don't a get a free pass because those others spurned SBU and Baron didn't. It's as simple as that. Baron's comings and goings have no direct effect on SBU, therefore most don't have a passionate opinion about it.

Looking at the whole picture, I think the athletes deserve a little more freedom when it comes to movement, as institutions hold quite a bit a power over them. It's the institutions who decide if scholarships will be renewed (sometimes based purely on athletics) on a yearly basis, while the athlete is bound by a four-year agreement and is only allowed out of that agreement (most often conditionally) by the institution. All the while, the coaches that make promises to these athletes are free to come and go as they please.

At the same time, if athletes don't receive instant gratification, their first move is to transfer instead of sticking it out. Commitment and loyalty are at an all-time low. That's the culture now. The NCAA has plenty to fix.

The reason he gets a pass is he has kept his word. He committed to UVA, played there a yeart and transferred. He transferred to URI, played there and is leaving. D.Mill and Eli C. committed and then turned their backs for something they felt was better without even trying it. I'd have no problem with either if they came after committing and then decided Bonas wasn't their cup of tea. That happens.

Let's face it, the reason the NCAA gives exemptions to coaches son is that it would be uncomfortable for them to play for their fathers successor, and it may be uncomfortable for the new coach as well.

However, I think they would give an exemption for anywhere, why go from UVA to URI to Canisius. Next year he'll transfer to Gannon, then Jamestown CC.

Billy Baron actually first verbally committed to URI. He then changed his mind a few months later and went to UVa. His situation before his other two transfers is similar.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #24 on Jun 21, 2012, 9:47am »

Jun 21, 2012, 7:36am, rf1 wrote:

Jun 21, 2012, 12:33am, efsboca wrote:

The reason he gets a pass is he has kept his word. He committed to UVA, played there a yeart and transferred. He transferred to URI, played there and is leaving. D.Mill and Eli C. committed and then turned their backs for something they felt was better without even trying it. I'd have no problem with either if they came after committing and then decided Bonas wasn't their cup of tea. That happens.

Let's face it, the reason the NCAA gives exemptions to coaches son is that it would be uncomfortable for them to play for their fathers successor, and it may be uncomfortable for the new coach as well.

However, I think they would give an exemption for anywhere, why go from UVA to URI to Canisius. Next year he'll transfer to Gannon, then Jamestown CC.

Billy Baron actually first verbally committed to URI. He then changed his mind a few months later and went to UVa. His situation before his other two transfers is similar.

Not to mention he DIDN'T keep his word with URI's new coach, telling him he was all in to play for him. A month later after seeing the NCAA provide a waiver for someone else in a similar situation - he went back on his word again.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #25 on Jun 21, 2012, 10:37am »

WHat is the surprise in all this? This only decries the hypocracy of the NCAA! An old fable goes something like this: "Many years ago, in days long gone by, the hallowed NCAA was the protector of fair universities and guardian angel of students - wishing to become athletes. These students then had opportunities to gain their education while simultaneously becomming BMOCs and defending their Alma MAter against sundry Dukes & Cavaliers. Over time, The omnipotent and magnanimous NCAA has allowed these now "student-athletes" to morph into athletes, who may or may not be students, to serve at the altar of the mythical diety "Daddy Big Bucks"! Moral of the story - rhetorically speaking, is this kid going to school to get an education or to hang out with his dad?

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #26 on Jun 21, 2012, 11:15am »

Jun 21, 2012, 7:36am, rf1 wrote:

Billy Baron actually first verbally committed to URI. He then changed his mind a few months later and went to UVa. His situation before his other two transfers is similar.

Except that it was a verbal commitment that he backed out on and not a signed National LOI.

Jun 21, 2012, 9:47am, tastylicks wrote:

Not to mention he DIDN'T keep his word with URI's new coach, telling him he was all in to play for him. A month later after seeing the NCAA provide a waiver for someone else in a similar situation - he went back on his word again.

What was he supposed to say in that situation? If he says he might transfer, he likely loses the support of the coach and his teammates if he decides to stay. If he says he's staying and decides to go, well, you see what happens.

All in all, why do we care about this?

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« Reply #27 on Jun 21, 2012, 12:26pm »

A coach who has signed an extension can not be shone the door? The facts are that Wick and company already had JVB lined up, and then told JB to find another job. He would still be our HC if Wick and company had not, yet again interjected themselves into the mix. Oh, by the way the new coach JVB hired Son of Wick (boy was that a great move or what).....how quickly we forget.
This scenario was one in a series of pathetic moves by our Past President. Several good books are now available on this sorry chapter in SBU history.
Learn from the past or be condemned to repeat it.

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Re: Bill E. Midnight might be following pa to Cani
« Reply #28 on Jun 21, 2012, 12:51pm »

Who cares? Billy was irrelevant at UVA, and "starred" at an irrelevant URI. Riding shotgun with dad ensures he'll "star" at an irrelevant Canisius. Unless we lose to the Griffs this season, none of this matters one bit. Even then, does it really matter?

As far as JB goes.. there's always two sides to every story. JB did his share of whining about money, facilities, etc. He got everything he wanted (except to stay at SBU) over at URI. What did he produce? Nothing of relevance. I'm grateful for his stint at SBU, and also glad that he's no longer here. He wasn't the coach to take us to the next level. That coach may not exist, but we're better off now.

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« Reply #29 on Jun 22, 2012, 4:48am »

How many bandwagoners would feel a lot of loyalty to a team/company who fired their Dad? It would be forever uncomfortable for Billy as well as Hurley if he stayed at URI.

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