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Post by ceharv on Sept 14, 2014 10:41:34 GMT -5
Doyle - before you can say "pay them to come" anywhere realistically, you have to have some idea of the cost - Bonas is on a tight budget, even for hoops, so cost must be a factor. And face it, that won't be cheap.
Maybe the better route would be to work behind the scenes in Toronto to help find a potential sponsor for an annual holiday or early season tourney to be set up in Toronto, where we could be either an annual or at least regular participant. Then be patient and hope to hell it catches on like the Great Alaska shoot-out is or once was. Gotta think that Canadian TV would broadcast the games nation-wide, and with all the schools now aware of the quality of Canadian players and thus recruiting there, a number would jump at the chance to be seen in the tourney.
Or is that counter=productive - would we be better off not doing something that might bring in more competition for players up there? Worth consideration anyway.
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Post by Pinnum on Sept 14, 2014 12:08:14 GMT -5
Doyle - that is in no way a solution. Ohio State to the RC would have to ensure a sellout with the average ticket price being about $125 (with students paying). If it isn't coming from ticket sales, where do you get the money? Increase student fees? Pull it from professors salaries? Pull it from admissions recruitment? There is no way SBU is going to be able to swing it. It is just not realistic. The RC is not going to attract major programs unless there is a major boost in athletics at SBU and the gap between the power-5s is only growing. I estimate SBU having to pay a program like Pitt $600k to get them to visit the RC. They don't care about getting it in a home and home because they can get plenty of SBU quality programs looking for RPI boosting and exposure games to visit the Peterson. Duquesne can't even get a home game with Pitt and they have a long standing tradition of playing each other. I am all for SBU hosting a MTE, as I have stated. I have no problem with SBU sponsoring an event and holding the finals in Toronto but you're not going to attract major programs. ESPN Properties owns many of the major MTEs now and they dictate what gets on ESPN. Without television, you're not drawing top teams to your MTE. This is why events like the Great Alaska Shootout which are long standing mainstays in the MTE landscape have become an after thought compared to their position years ago as the premier events. SBU does a great job with scheduling given what they have available. While it is a good idea to get the Canadian market, I would hate to see SBU stretched thin in their marketing and capture no market. Securing WNY would make it easy to expand into Canada as there is a blending between the two boarders and they get Buffalo TV broadcasts. For those interested: Take a look at the change in just a few years. 2007 Great Alaska Shootout en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Great_Alaska_Shootout2013 Great Alaska Shootout en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Great_Alaska_ShootoutWhich is a big drop from less than 15 years ago when the 2001 event included the likes of: Indiana, Marquette, Tennessee, Texas, Oregon State, Gonzaga and St. John's. To answer the question about why Buffalo got to host Baylor. Besides increased scarcity due to once a week games limiting schedules resulting in more leverage by lesser known teams. The simple answer is, again, TV. Baylor wasn't going to get National TV on ESPN for a Saturday game against a low level opponent. The Friday night national television game gets them the chance to get in front of recruits that play a Saturday game and ensure they are watched by fans, media, and rankers who might miss seeing the team due to all the other options on Saturdays. Buffalo isn't a big enough game to warrant all that it takes to play a football game on a weekday in Waco. But also Baylor wanted to get a warm up road game. Before going to Iowa State and Texas, Baylor wanted the team to have a road game to see what goes into preparations for a game on the road. It is much easier to go in to Buffalo as your first 'out-of-routine' game than it is for it to be a Big 12 game. The same reason they have been willing to go to Louisiana-Monroe and Rice every few years.
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Post by maplehurst on Sept 14, 2014 14:03:29 GMT -5
Baylor has been willing to travel, especially to New York. I think they played at Army a few years ago. ESPN seems to dictate a lot of things in college sports. I wouldn't be surprised if they were not behind all the recent conference rearrangements. Lots of tradition has died in college sports due to TV contracts.
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Post by Pinnum on Sept 14, 2014 14:54:58 GMT -5
These are the 2014 basketball events that ESPN outright owns. There are also many others that they are partners in.
Armed Forces Classic (U.S. Coast Guard Air Station Borinquen, PR) Gildan Charleston Classic (South Carolina) Hawaiian Airlines Diamond Head Classic (Honolulu) Wooden Legacy (Orange County, Calif.) Jimmy V Men’s & Women’s Basketball Classics Presented by Corona Extra (New York City & South Bend, Ind.) Orlando Classic (Walt Disney World Resort near Orlando, Fla.) Puerto Rico Tip-Off (San Juan, PR) State Farm Champions Classic (Indianapolis)
As you probably know, this limited list of events includes roughly a third of NCAA men's basketball teams.
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Post by gdub2009 on Sept 15, 2014 8:12:29 GMT -5
Pinnum, I could be wrong here but I am guessing UB scheduled that game with Baylor a few years ago. I am guessing before RGIII was done. I would find it hard to believe Baylor is scheduling Buffalo as a home and home after their past few years of success.
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Post by Pinnum on Sept 15, 2014 8:28:23 GMT -5
Pinnum, I could be wrong here but I am guessing UB scheduled that game with Baylor a few years ago. I am guessing before RGIII was done. I would find it hard to believe Baylor is scheduling Buffalo as a home and home after their past few years of success. I am not sure when this contract was signed but the first home and home contract between Buffalo and Baylor was scheduled in 2006 with Baylor needing a game to fill in 2007 and being willing to go on the road for a warm up that year. The contract required Buffalo to make a trip to Waco in 2010. This, I am sure, was a continuation of that contract where they just renewed the contract making scheduling easier on both teams. I am not sure Baylor wouldn't have scheduled the game during RBIIIs success. They have recently caught some flack for just scheduling Incarnate Word for a game in 2019. This year is Incarnate Word's first in FCS Division-I since transitioning from a Division-II school. Also in 2019, Baylor is making a road trip to Rice.
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Post by gdub2009 on Sept 15, 2014 9:02:54 GMT -5
I am not sure Baylor wouldn't have scheduled the game during RBIIIs success. They have recently caught some flack for just scheduling Incarnate Word for a game in 2019. This year is Incarnate Word's first in FCS Division-I since transitioning from a Division-II school. Also in 2019, Baylor is making a road trip to Rice. Interesting, I can see scheduling Rice for alumni purposes in Houston, but Incarnate Word is pretty crazy. They just got demolished by NDSU over weekend, hopefully for their sake they are better in 5 years.
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Post by class70 on Sept 15, 2014 11:04:20 GMT -5
Congratulations to Team USA on winning the FIBA World Cup for basketball. Soon the Bonnies will be playing again and we can find something other than scheduling to discuss. One thing the above discussion has brought to mind, however, is what a great coup it is to be facing Pitt before an ESPNU audience. Imagine the benefits for team and school recognition if the Bonnies pull an upset! And they are paying us how much to play there? It's beginning to look like a deal made in heaven.
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Post by jjjacks17 on Sept 15, 2014 23:38:38 GMT -5
Baylor was a 35 point favorite on the road to Buffalo while missing numerous of its top receivers. The chances that Baylor wins that game is much greater than a team like Pitt or Memphis coming to the RC and winning. Much bigger gamble. Also those schools aren't any higher than the levels of VCU, Temple, Xaiver and even St. Louis and Dayton. We never had people flocking to the RC for those games. What makes you think that playing the same level schools out of conferences (likely for a high ticket price) would fill the place? Just put together a nice schedule that guarantees us 9/10 wins, gets our local rivals, and a few games that give us opportunities for a signature win and we should be happy.
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