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Post by sneakers on Sept 26, 2014 7:44:39 GMT -5
The Bonnies offered two sophomores scholarships for the 2017 year. They are 6-4 guard Jarrod Simmons and 6-6 forward Kimani Lawrence. Both are playing at Cushing Academy in Pittsburgh. I'm pretty sure Cushing Academy is in Ashburnham Massachusetts, not Pittsburgh. They run a very nice program. Hope we get these guys. |
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Post by kcSBU03 on Sept 26, 2014 8:23:54 GMT -5
Isnt Taqqee from Cushing?
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Post by derhut on Sept 26, 2014 9:54:26 GMT -5
JH -- take a trip back with me in the way back machine..in the late '60s and early to mid '70s the landscape of college hoops was vastly different than things are now...many conferences/schools were not integrated...So the Big 12, ACC, etc were not recruiting on the eastern seaboard...it wasn't until frank Maguire was set up at south Carolina [whole nother story there] that ACC schools went after NYC kids..even then, Maguire went after NYC Catholic League kids...john roche, brian winters, kevin joyce, jackie gilloon among others...UNC was in earlier, luring doug moe, billy Cunningham and eddie biedenbach for starters..UNC was big in Pennsy...dennis wyucuk [sp] from western pa and larry miller from NE Pennsy...so schools in the ECAC like st johns, nova, SBU, Lasalle..were able to get at worst, the 2nd and 3rd team all NYC kids..the same held true for Philly and DC kids. SBU had an ally in Ben Rusin who scoured the DC area for kids for SBU...the sneaker cheats were not a factor..and there were only a few post season high school all star games to scout..the Sharon Hoyle tourney in Sharon Pa was a big one..Allentown, Pa had a big one...there was one in the Albany area...which produced Kalbaugh, sid Edwards, pat riley and luther tickey burden...the granddaddy was the dapper dan in Pittsburgh [run by sonny vacarro]. So back then, SBU was in on a lot of top kids..even kids who were a bit "rough around the edges" the feeling was if the kids went to class that the sbu environment and some stern discipline by the local friars would keep them on track towards a degree and a shot at a better life. It was well known that in those days when a key recruit was visiting campus that students like CHAZ would get the dorms cranking...much Motown in the air and the Schaefer flowed freely... anyway...Dwight Clay had verballed to sbu..but then one digger phelps who was just starting to build up ND swooped in and took him news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=20060320&id=-vRRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LHIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6146,8128274 ND got Clay from Pitts, john shumate from Elizabeth NJ, billy paterno from Christian bros in NJ, a guy named crotty from LI and gary brokaw from new Brunswick NJ...but digger took clay from sbu news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=19700326&id=9_cgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DXQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5040,4247817 Cleve Royster was coached by an SBU grad...he also verballed to SBU...but Niagara was a strong player in nyc/li/ct as that area was fat frank leydens home turf...rumor had it that NU made royster an offer he couldn't refuse..royster had a nice career at NU and was a tough 6'6" scrappy forward--I can recall seeing him box gary stewart from canisius in the AUD during a saturdy night double header..royster was tough as nails under the hoop and wouldn't back down from anyone Armond Hill from bishop ford in nyc ended up at Lawrenceville prep, Princeton and played in the NBA for at least five years...in 1970, Hill and Bishop Ford under ray nash [brian's pops] played Walsh in a prelim game at the RC...sbu had been recruiting him for a while and his visit to SBU to play walsh sealed the deal..he spent some time in the skellar...sealed the deal..he also verballed to sbu..but somehow, someone paid his freight to Lawrenceville prep and then he ended up at Princeton Austin Carr...also said yes to SBU--back then the bonnies were strong in the DC area...Carr played at Mackin HS...and was a strong 6'3" guard...all set for SBU...and guess who took him away ....digger phelps and ND...rest was history..the bonnies went on to get stevie hocker, greg sanders glenn price and others from DC..this was pre john Thompson at georgetown - so schools like sbu, nova etc could get top notch kids out of the DC area. As I have said..recruiting was very different back then...heck, Bradford high used to host a great Christmas tourney every year..one year the lineup included Pittsburgh schenley, Pittsburgh Peabody and a couple of others..schenley blogs.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/varsity-blog/22835-must-see-video-watch-maurice-lucas-and-schenley-play-in-1971-state-finalhad Maurice lucas, jeep Kelly [unlv] and a kid named coleman [Jacksonville] they were unbelievable..Peabody had a kid named Melvin Bennett who ended up at pitt and the ABA Jamestown had terry chilli [duke] and donn Johnston [UNC]...the bonnies were involved with those kids too...chilli spent 6 weeks at weise' hoop camp in the summer of '70...the buffalo catholic league was loaded..chris patton [Maryland] kevin cadle [penn st] aaron curry [Oklahoma] a kid named beeman [Tennessee]..walsh had aielo [Niagara] karuch [Niagara] and metzler [boston college]...sbu was in on all of these kids... |
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Post by derhut on Sept 26, 2014 10:29:21 GMT -5
on the Dwight clay link...he is on page 15 and the royster link is on page 37..my apologies
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Post by derhut on Sept 26, 2014 11:46:21 GMT -5
john dee was the ND coach who snatched Austin carr from sbu
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Post by jh on Sept 26, 2014 11:59:02 GMT -5
JH -- take a trip back with me in the way back machine..in the late '60s and early to mid '70s the landscape of college hoops was vastly different than things are now...many conferences/schools were not integrated...So the Big 12, ACC, etc were not recruiting on the eastern seaboard...it wasn't until frank Maguire was set up at south Carolina [whole nother story there] that ACC schools went after NYC kids..even then, Maguire went after NYC Catholic League kids...john roche, brian winters, kevin joyce, jackie gilloon among others...UNC was in earlier, luring doug moe, billy Cunningham and eddie biedenbach for starters..UNC was big in Pennsy...dennis wyucuk [sp] from western pa and larry miller from NE Pennsy...so schools in the ECAC like st johns, nova, SBU, Lasalle..were able to get at worst, the 2nd and 3rd team all NYC kids..the same held true for Philly and DC kids. SBU had an ally in Ben Rusin who scoured the DC area for kids for SBU...the sneaker cheats were not a factor..and there were only a few post season high school all star games to scout..the Sharon Hoyle tourney in Sharon Pa was a big one..Allentown, Pa had a big one...there was one in the Albany area...which produced Kalbaugh, sid Edwards, pat riley and luther tickey burden...the granddaddy was the dapper dan in Pittsburgh [run by sonny vacarro]. So back then, SBU was in on a lot of top kids..even kids who were a bit "rough around the edges" the feeling was if the kids went to class that the sbu environment and some stern discipline by the local friars would keep them on track towards a degree and a shot at a better life. It was well known that in those days when a key recruit was visiting campus that students like CHAZ would get the dorms cranking...much Motown in the air and the Schaefer flowed freely... anyway...Dwight Clay had verballed to sbu..but then one digger phelps who was just starting to build up ND swooped in and took him news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=20060320&id=-vRRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LHIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6146,8128274 ND got Clay from Pitts, john shumate from Elizabeth NJ, billy paterno from Christian bros in NJ, a guy named crotty from LI and gary brokaw from new Brunswick NJ...but digger took clay from sbu news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=19700326&id=9_cgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DXQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5040,4247817 Cleve Royster was coached by an SBU grad...he also verballed to SBU...but Niagara was a strong player in nyc/li/ct as that area was fat frank leydens home turf...rumor had it that NU made royster an offer he couldn't refuse..royster had a nice career at NU and was a tough 6'6" scrappy forward--I can recall seeing him box gary stewart from canisius in the AUD during a saturdy night double header..royster was tough as nails under the hoop and wouldn't back down from anyone Armond Hill from bishop ford in nyc ended up at Lawrenceville prep, Princeton and played in the NBA for at least five years...in 1970, Hill and Bishop Ford under ray nash [brian's pops] played Walsh in a prelim game at the RC...sbu had been recruiting him for a while and his visit to SBU to play walsh sealed the deal..he spent some time in the skellar...sealed the deal..he also verballed to sbu..but somehow, someone paid his freight to Lawrenceville prep and then he ended up at Princeton Austin Carr...also said yes to SBU--back then the bonnies were strong in the DC area...Carr played at Mackin HS...and was a strong 6'3" guard...all set for SBU...and guess who took him away ....digger phelps and ND...rest was history..the bonnies went on to get stevie hocker, greg sanders glenn price and others from DC..this was pre john Thompson at georgetown - so schools like sbu, nova etc could get top notch kids out of the DC area. As I have said..recruiting was very different back then...heck, Bradford high used to host a great Christmas tourney every year..one year the lineup included Pittsburgh schenley, Pittsburgh Peabody and a couple of others..schenley blogs.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/varsity-blog/22835-must-see-video-watch-maurice-lucas-and-schenley-play-in-1971-state-finalhad Maurice lucas, jeep Kelly [unlv] and a kid named coleman [Jacksonville] they were unbelievable..Peabody had a kid named Melvin Bennett who ended up at pitt and the ABA Jamestown had terry chilli [duke] and donn Johnston [UNC]...the bonnies were involved with those kids too...chilli spent 6 weeks at weise' hoop camp in the summer of '70...the buffalo catholic league was loaded..chris patton [Maryland] kevin cadle [penn st] aaron curry [Oklahoma] a kid named beeman [Tennessee]..walsh had aielo [Niagara] karuch [Niagara] and metzler [boston college]...sbu was in on all of these kids... A great trip Der - thanks much |
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Post by Copenhagen on Sept 26, 2014 23:21:56 GMT -5
Jackie Giloon is not from an NYC Catholic school but memorial high in west New York, nj school.
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Post by ceharv on Sept 28, 2014 9:41:37 GMT -5
Derhut - that was encyclopedia-like! Nice recap. I think we lost our edge when we got to the final four and just assumed that top players would continue to flock to Bonas, not realizing the recruiting landscape had changed dramatically, and thus failed to adjust. The classes that arrived right after Lanier and the others graduated contained a few good players, but not the stars or depth that could keep us at that level, particularly when other eastern schools were on the rise and other leagues were now recruiting the areas we had just about to ourselves before. Of course, landing an Austin Carr or maybe one or two of these other guys might have changed that. It took us a lot of struggling to get back to just where we are now, but I really think we are on our way now. Go Bonnies!
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Post by sony on Sept 28, 2014 10:30:21 GMT -5
Carr would have been in the class of '71 and been a part of the Final Four team had he come to Bona's. While he was recruited by us, I don't believe he ever committed to us. Fred Handler told an interesting side to Carr's recruitment.
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Post by derhut on Sept 28, 2014 11:13:15 GMT -5
thanks Charv - probably useless knowledge for some..but it was an interesting time for SBU- and yes, i agree with you wholeheartedly...SBU lost its edge..turned off a few key people and "friends of the Brown Indians" Probably the most telling bit of useless knowledge is that 2 or the 3 head coaches in the Little Three landed NBA jobs...Hmmm...I still think that Billy Moore was one of the most talented guys to every don the brown and white...saw him destroy ex Knick Pat Cummings night after night at the summer hoop camps at St Francis of Pa.
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