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Post by localfan on Mar 5, 2015 11:04:47 GMT -5
The discussion about this year being one of Schmidt's best coaching jobs in another thread leads me to ask this question:
Jim Baron spent nine seasons at Bonaventure. His overall record was 132-131, and his A-10 record was 56-86. He led the team to an NCAA Tournament appearance (3 OT loss to Kentucky) and three NIT appearances (advancing to the second round once).
Mark Schmidt is in his eighth season at Bonaventure. His overall record is 122-122. His A-10 record is 55-74. He led the team to an Atlantic-10 championship in 2012, and one NCAA Tournament appearance (3-pt loss to Florida St.). He does not have NIT appearances and has one appearance in the CBI.
The question is this ... who has been the better coach at Bonaventure?
This is really intriguing to me. Baron is remembered for reviving the program from the awful DeCarli/Chapman days. He's remembered for good times and some great guards.
Schmidt hasn't had the postseason success that Baron had in terms of earning bids, but he's one win away from matching Baron's A-10 win total a year early in a MUCH tougher conference. He also has an Atlantic-10 title under his belt. And if we're talking program revival, no coach took over a cupboard more bare than what Mark Schmidt walked into after Anthony Solomon's departure.
Thoughts?
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 5, 2015 11:06:01 GMT -5
Schmidt all the way
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Post by bigmick on Mar 5, 2015 11:47:36 GMT -5
Schmidt
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Post by Felca on Mar 5, 2015 11:53:09 GMT -5
I lean towards Schmidt, but it's pretty much even at this point. If Schmidt can recruit to support this current freshman class he will surpass Jim Baron.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 11:53:31 GMT -5
Schmidt hasn't had the postseason success that Baron had in terms of earning bids, but he's one win away from matching Baron's A-10 win total a year early in a MUCH tougher conference. He also has an Atlantic-10 title under his belt. And if we're talking program revival, no coach took over a cupboard more bare than what Mark Schmidt walked into after Anthony Solomon's departure.
I am not sure how I would vote on this, but I do think two points need to be made.
For Baron: The Atlantic 10 has been a tough conference for years. I think you are wrong when you say it is a MUCH tougher conference. There were some pretty high profile programs who have left the conference that Baron had to play against. Rutgers (Big 10) Virgina Tech (ACC) Temple (AMerican whatever) West Virgina (Big 12) Xavier (Big East)
For Schmidt: It was much easier to get an NIT bid when Baron was coaching here. This years team would be a virtual lock for the NIT under the old way of doing things.
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Post by dadster81 on Mar 5, 2015 11:53:59 GMT -5
I was the one who posted the question originally. Take away Schmidt's and Baron's first year record (Schmidt walked into a real overall mess) then Schmidt's record really changes. It is interesting that Baron had 3 NIT appearances. Under the current NIT set up, at least two of his teams would not have received an invite - the Wins bar is much higher.
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 5, 2015 13:30:37 GMT -5
I think Schmidt has done a better job in my opinion. He won an A10 tourney. He has won some games on the road too. We could never beat Temple on the road. Schmidt found a way to do it before the Owls left the conference. I don't compare postseason appearances because it isn't the same as when Baron was here. The NIT was a lot bigger deal and was easier to get into before they gave automatic bids to it. The Bonnies could have been in the CBI last year but turned it down.
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Post by bonaman2013 on Mar 5, 2015 13:53:22 GMT -5
In regards to the NITs, it was MUCH easier to get in the NIT when Baron was coach because there were not automatic bids for teams that won their regular season tourney, lost in their conference and were not selected into the NCAA.
The A10 I would say was slightly better back then than it is now. But the last few years have been the best in A10 history. The A10 got 4 bids in 95-96, 4 in 96-97 and 5 in 97-98. The best years for the A10, in regards to bids has been while Schmidt has been at the helm. 4 bids in 11-12, 5 bids in 12-13 and 6 in 13-14.
Average yearly conference rpi and # of teams in tourney per year while Baron was HC: 8.55/3.55 bids Schmidt: 8.29 /3.38 bids
-Baron had four season with 11+ A10 losses -Schmidt has one season with 10 + plus A10 losses (But three seasons with 10+)
Bona has been in the A10 for 36 years....24 of those seasons we've had a losing record. Only six seasons we've had a winning record. (BARON owns THREE of those seasons....While with a win Sat. Schmidt will have TWO.)
Schmidt's A10 record: 55-74 Baron A10: 56-86
I'm just happy we didn't hire Brian Nash!
Go Bonnies!
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Post by pete on Mar 5, 2015 13:58:36 GMT -5
I went with SCHMIDT. I think the hole he had to dig out of was much deeper than BARON's
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Post by Sipowicz on Mar 5, 2015 16:52:30 GMT -5
Is it just me or does it seem SCHMIDT has been able to recruit better bigs than BARON did, but BARON seemed to be able to recruit better guards? Just a thought.
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Post by nyc02 on Mar 5, 2015 16:57:08 GMT -5
Coach Baron has the best team with that 2000 team. If he didn't leave for URI it would have been interesting to have seen what would have happened from then till now.
Coach Schmidt has done a great job while Baron coached against some very tough A10 squads aka Temple especially, St Joes was a top 25 team and Xavier had some very strong years.
Imagine of Baron stayed... scandal would not have happened. Gansey would never transfer and WV would never had mad that famous run.
I still say the 2000 team would have beat the 2012 team everyday of the week.
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Post by labonnie on Mar 5, 2015 23:21:35 GMT -5
Not even close at this point. The A10 is a big boy league now and the Bonnies are in the mix on a consistent basis, the recruiting is working, and they've made it to the top recently.
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Post by Hermit on Mar 6, 2015 0:33:26 GMT -5
Not even close at this point. The A10 is a big boy league now and the Bonnies are in the mix on a consistent basis, the recruiting is working, and they've made it to the top recently. Not exactly sure what you mean....a big boy league.....I mean.....Temple is gone.....and we beat them what.....6 times.......out of 72.....,
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 8:51:26 GMT -5
Baron had 4 NIT bids and an at large NCAA bid.
Schmidt has 1 NCAA bid and 0 NIT bids.
Tim Winn, Caswell Cyrus, Peter Van Passan, JR Bremer, Marques Green, Patricio Prato, Kevin Houston Mike Gansey
Andrew Nicholson, Demetrius Conger, Jon Hall
Baron caught incredible bad break with PVP getting injured in 2001 and Leandro Palladino who was signed to letter of intent went was so good he went pro. It was Barons players who beat UConn at Uconn by 17.
If you measure using variables such as post season bids and talent brought in measured by All league players
I would vote Baron and his staff every time
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Post by faffy444 on Mar 6, 2015 9:08:06 GMT -5
JH is correct. baron gets the nod. if bona would have paid baron with more than body blows, and holy cards, he would have stayed for a long time. that would have meant more tourney appearances and financial gain for the school.
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