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Post by brownindian11 on Mar 18, 2015 22:06:05 GMT -5
Woj and Vac love stepping on bonaventure to put some more words on paper. Love how Woj used twitter like a teenage girl over Watson leaving. Grow up and when we contend next year for A10 they can leave their Pom poms in the same drawer as there class rings and diplomas.
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Post by localfan on Mar 18, 2015 22:30:42 GMT -5
Vacc is a phenomenal journalist who tells it like it is. I like that. He didn't exactly say anything wrong about Bonas.
Woj is really good at working sources to get his scoop, but he loves playing favorites. If you're on his good side, he's the best. If you're not, look out.
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Post by 123Rob on Mar 18, 2015 23:53:16 GMT -5
what did he say that wasn't true? Vaccaro is a Richard - ask him if he has put his St Bonas ring back on yet? Then ask him why we dont read any syracuse journalists throwing their alma mater under the bus like him and woj did ! I expect alums like Vaccaro to put us in as good a light as possible - if telling the truth puts us in a bad light then please dont even mention us in your article ! How many people read that article? Thats how many people he put us in a bad light in front of - Thanks Mike V - a Richard !! FYI, today on the radio in Roch, Scott Pitoniak, an SU alum, called them out. He said firing Gross was not enough and that Boeheim should be canned as well. He noted that it is Boeheim's second time getting his program in trouble. Pitoniak went on to suggest that Hopkins should go too in the complete housecleaning necessary if SU was interested in fulfilling its mission as an institution of higher learning. I've always felt you that misread the whole ring thing. To me Vacc was not disloyal to his alma mater but was embarrassed by its complete lack of leadership*. This lack of leadership allowed the whole mess to get worse by allowing the team to boycott. It was the boycott more than the initial scandal that brought the disdain from our A10 "brethren" and the national media. *lets review: Wick and JVBK- lying scum. BQ tried to bring everything to light but was rebuffed by GL- the total nebbish. The assistant coaches were Wick's complicit son and two young guys that has been beaten down by JVBK. Fr. Rich had just left so there was no chaplain/faculty moderator. The rest of the athletic department were also young and understandably a bit shell shocked. Regardless of who is reading that correctly, you call out Vacc for not putting SBU in a good light. WTH do you think you are doing by calling out Vacc and Woj every chance you get? Anyone that is more than a casual observer of the A10 knows what Bona's is up against. For one second, consider the possibility that Vacc brought our shortcomings up in the article precisely TO bring them to light for alums and possible donors? Clearly some posters who think an ideal schedule is a piece of cake willfully ignored by the staff or that a pay-to-play tournament is even a remote possibility, do not know, as I am sure you do, how dire our finances are. Obviously, you love our school. So take a long swig of Gatorade while you can, and let's get on the same page to help Tim Kenney and his staff figure out new ways to raise more funds. Leave the grudges and pot stirring to Abe Froman the sausage King and his pal Yoyoma. We need to restock the coolers and bring all the programs up to snuff. It is time for someone to show the cards that we are holding. A few 11th hour phone calls is not a development plan.
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Post by jh on Mar 19, 2015 0:38:48 GMT -5
Vaccaro is a Richard - ask him if he has put his St Bonas ring back on yet? Then ask him why we dont read any syracuse journalists throwing their alma mater under the bus like him and woj did ! I expect alums like Vaccaro to put us in as good a light as possible - if telling the truth puts us in a bad light then please dont even mention us in your article ! How many people read that article? Thats how many people he put us in a bad light in front of - Thanks Mike V - a Richard !! FYI, today on the radio in Roch, Scott Pitoniak, an SU alum, called them out. He said firing Gross was not enough and that Boeheim should be canned as well. He noted that it is Boeheim's second time getting his program in trouble. Pitoniak went on to suggest that Hopkins should go too in the complete housecleaning necessary if SU was interested in fulfilling its mission as an institution of higher learning. I've always felt you that misread the whole ring thing. To me Vacc was not disloyal to his alma mater but was embarrassed by its complete lack of leadership*. This lack of leadership allowed the whole mess to get worse by allowing the team to boycott. It was the boycott more than the initial scandal that brought the disdain from our A10 "brethren" and the national media. *lets review: Wick and JVBK- lying scum. BQ tried to bring everything to light but was rebuffed by GL- the total nebbish. The assistant coaches were Wick's complicit son and two young guys that has been beaten down by JVBK. Fr. Rich had just left so there was no chaplain/faculty moderator. The rest of the athletic department were also young and understandably a bit shell shocked. Regardless of who is reading that correctly, you call out Vacc for not putting SBU in a good light. WTH do you think you are doing by calling out Vacc and Woj every chance you get? Anyone that is more than a casual observer of the A10 knows what Bona's is up against. For one second, consider the possibility that Vacc brought our shortcomings up in the article precisely TO bring them to light for alums and possible donors? Clearly some posters who think an ideal schedule is a piece of cake willfully ignored by the staff or that a pay-to-play tournament is even a remote possibility, do not know, as I am sure you do, how dire our finances are. Obviously, you love our school. So take a long swig of Gatorade while you can, and let's get on the same page to help Tim Kenney and his staff figure out new ways to raise more funds. Leave the grudges and pot stirring to Abe Froman the sausage King and his pal Yoyoma. We need to restock the coolers and bring all the programs up to snuff. It is time for someone to show the cards that we are holding. A few 11th hour phone calls is not a development plan. Just 2 items: 1- I write my comments about Vacc and Woj on a bonabandwagon - they write their comments about SBU in the NY Post. They have the power of the pen - not me - I'd just wish they'd use it more often to pump up Bonas rather than dump on Bonas. 2- Potoniak wrote that he thought Syracuse did wrong - did he also say he was taking off his ring and putting in a drawer as if to be wishing to not be an SU alum?
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Post by 5and23 on Mar 19, 2015 7:35:51 GMT -5
Pete Thamel took a pretty good shot at SU, his alma mater, in a SI.com column. He used the word "soulless" and hits the idea that Syracuse hasn't learned from past mistakes and doesn't seem like it wants to learn from this latest bit of cheating. www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/03/18/syracuse-coach-jim-boeheim-retire-daryl-grossNothing wrong with sports pundits calling out their schools when they screw up. They should. And when things go well, it's appropriate to point that out, too. Woj and Vacc have taken some shots, but they've also done some cheering for Bona's. It's not all rah-rah, and it shouldn't be.
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Post by class70 on Mar 19, 2015 7:47:19 GMT -5
Vacc is a phenomenal journalist who tells it like it is. I like that. He didn't exactly say anything wrong about Bonas. Woj is really good at working sources to get his scoop, but he loves playing favorites. If you're on his good side, he's the best. If you're not, look out. Mike Vaccaro tweeted his congratulations to Tim Kenney on taking over stewardship at Bona's, and Tim tweeted back his thanks with the hope of getting together soon. What little I've observed of Tim Kenney--even before taking over--is that he is quite media savvy and knows how to leverage the Bonnies' history. I often read complaints here about the Bonnies being underrated and disrespected, but I don't know how much of that has been due to our failure to manage our media relations. Every politician and business does it and so do the successful sport franchises. Sportswriters are human beings and will respond favorably to those who treat them well and are forthcoming with the information needed to do their work.
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Post by sbu79 on Mar 19, 2015 9:47:34 GMT -5
To me Vacc was not disloyal to his alma mater but was embarrassed by its complete lack of leadership*. ..... For one second, consider the possibility that Vacc brought our shortcomings up in the article precisely TO bring them to light for alums and possible donors? .... let's get on the same page to help Tim Kenney and his staff figure out new ways to raise more funds. Leave the grudges and pot stirring to Abe Froman the sausage King and his pal Yoyoma. We need to restock the coolers and bring all the programs up to snuff. It is time for someone to show the cards that we are holding. A few 11th hour phone calls is not a development plan. I'd like to comment on these 2 sections of your thoughtful response. In the first case, as a professional writer, Vacc could have done a better job of conveying his thoughts along these lines than he did. In this most recent article, for instance, he could have added something about the strong support the Bonnies get from their fans in terms of physically showing up and how much stronger the program could be if they showed up monetarily as well. He might have even used this as a contrast to the financial strength of Fordham to suggest that if Bona can overachieve given its resources, Fordham can do better as well. that makes a point without leaving Bona fans with a WTF reaction. In the second passage, I want to say I agree with you 100% and hope others feel the same way.
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Post by firstdev on Mar 20, 2015 7:41:55 GMT -5
Mike V is one of the best sports writers in America bar none. His book on the Yankee Red Sox series was an instant classic. His insightful columns on the state of NYC sports is always entertaining in his home town NY Post. Yes he has been critical of SBU on occasion, especially with regards to the nuclear winter foisted upon us by the Wick regime and their infamous cohorts. He rightly called out the incredible lack of control that was exhibited by that group of star fallen administrators, administrators that nearly cost us our beloved Bonas. The negative publicity generated by the Wick/jvbk group was astounding. When ESPN Sports Center leads with news of an ineligible player, a player strike, conference sanctions, and probation you know that your program and your university are in deep trouble and we were! Mike V demanded accountability, and as one of the high profile alums in the nation - his thoughts were credible and welcome. I had the pleasure of lifting a few pints with Mike V in Nashville. Believe me he is just as big a fan of Bonas as anyone on this board, and he was there in part to cover our redemption from the abyss vs Florida State. Don't blame the messenger, blame the trustees who actually hired that group.....taking into consideration that there were trustees who stood up and objected to the Wick hiring by the way. Anyway we recovered from the disaster and are again in the good graces of the conference and the NCAA thanks to the hard work of Steve Watson and Mark Schmidt, rejoice. Go forth and recruit more frosh to fill our dorms, and 6'10" pivot men.
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Post by bigdobber on Mar 21, 2015 8:55:27 GMT -5
Mike V is a NY sports reporter but let's not get carried away with the "one of the best in America" accolades. If you have been a reader of the NY Post over the past 50 years, the staff could be called "colorful' and Mike fits right in with Steve Serby, Larry Brooks and Phil Mushnickl. None of these writers are national figures but they like to cut against the grain to get readership. I can remember the picture of Steve Serby on the back of the Post (looked like he went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson) after he wrote a blistering article on Richard Todd and went back to the locker room for a follow up. After reading the Mike V article on the firing of Tom Pecora and his back handed compliments of his alma mater and love for the A10 I would hope he leaves his class ring off permanently. I take exception with his cheap shot at the Bonnies facilities. What about the story behind the facilities? Our facilities along with the Hagen Arena, Gola Gym, Palumbo Center all show the contrast that exists in the A10 conference. The smaller Catholic universities are operating on a much tighter budget than the state funded universities like VCU, UMass and URi where a phone call to the capitol building can provide whatever funding is needed for upgrades and new facilities. This is common for the multitude of smaller Catholic universities that compete in D1 athletics in this country. Looking outside our conference at the Big East, St. John's Carnesecca arena is comparable to the RC and Seton Hall has such an antiquated campus facility they lease the Pru for all home games. All big games for Villanova and St. John's are played off campus. We do more with less. Schmidt has one of the smaller budgets in the A10 and wins 10 conference games. Crowley has proven that he is one of the better coaches in the A10. Again...doing more with less. The swimming team has a 60 year old pool and every year seems to be in the mix for the A10 Championship. Again...doing more with less. That is the story that never get's told by one of our national alumns who has the power of the pen.
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Post by jh on Mar 21, 2015 9:00:07 GMT -5
Mike V is a NY sports reporter but let's not get carried away with the "one of the best in America" accolades. If you have been a reader of the NY Post over the past 50 years, the staff could be called "colorful' and Mike fits right in with Steve Serby, Larry Brooks and Phil Mushnickl. None of these writers are national figures but they like to cut against the grain to get readership. I can remember the picture of Steve Serby on the back of the Post (looked like he went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson) after he wrote a blistering article on Richard Todd and went back to the locker room for a follow up. After reading the Mike V article on the firing of Tom Pecora and his back handed compliments of his alma mater and love for the A10 I would hope he leaves his class ring off permanently. I take exception with his cheap shot at the Bonnies facilities. What about the story behind the facilities? Our facilities along with the Hagen Arena, Gola Gym, Palumbo Center all show the contrast that exists in the A10 conference. The smaller Catholic universities are operating on a much tighter budget than the state funded universities like VCU, UMass and URi where a phone call to the capitol building can provide whatever funding is needed for upgrades and new facilities. This is common for the multitude of smaller Catholic universities that compete in D1 athletics in this country. Looking outside our conference at the Big East, St. John's Carnesecca arena is comparable to the RC and Seton Hall has such an antiquated campus facility they lease the Pru for all home games. All big games for Villanova and St. John's are played off campus. We do more with less. Schmidt has one of the smaller budgets in the A10 and wins 10 conference games. Crowley has proven that he is one of the better coaches in the A10. Again...doing more with less. The swimming team has a 60 year old pool and every year seems to be in the mix for the A10 Championship. Again...doing more with less. That is the story that never get's told by one of our national alumns who has the power of the pen. Amen Dobber !!! Also - how much is contributed (time not money) back to the SBU Mass Comm department - does he help recruit in NYC area? Does he ever show on SBU campus or at sbu events? And he wrote the article about putting his class ring away...has he put that ring back on and written an article why he decided to do so?
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Post by brownindian11 on Mar 21, 2015 10:05:30 GMT -5
Thank you jh and dobber. What exactly has "one of the best sports writers in America" done for us?
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Post by jh on Mar 21, 2015 10:38:03 GMT -5
Thank you jh and dobber. What exactly has "one of the best sports writers in America" done for us? In fairness to woj and Vacc - if indeed they do a lot of work promoting our mass comm department or attending SBU functions or helping with journalism interns etccc - let them or their friends indicate so now... would love to hear that they do !!!
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Post by firstdev on Mar 21, 2015 16:24:11 GMT -5
Mike V and woj are just doing was sports columnists do best, be opinionated. Sometimes we will approve, sometimes we do not. Do they cherish their alma mater? No doubt they do. Mike V really admired our ability to rebound from Armageddon and get back into gear at the Big Dance in Nashville. That being said jh is of course correct in stating that most Catholic universities have limited resources to plow into their D1 athletic programs and facilities as compared to state run institutions or privates with out sized endowments. Rose Hill arena at Fordham is a good example. It is old, dated, an antique and yet is entirely lovable and unique. It is an historic venue much like Wrigley Field or Fenway Park. While our RC is not nearly as dated, it too has a warm feel, not present in the new facilities. It is a near perfect facility for an institution of our size and resources. Does it desperately need updating, not really. In contrast, for all of UB's access to UB Foundation and NYS funds, for example, the Alumni Arena is as cold as death itself. On a scale of 1 to 10 I would rate the RC a 7 and Alumni Arena a 4. The AA has the feel of an aircraft hanger. Overall except for the Wick inspired self immolation, the program has performed very well, and has gained enormous media exposure for SBU. Having regular season games and the conference tournament on NBCSN is a huge plus. Steve Watson and Mark Schmidt deserve much praise for their stewardship. Our new AD has large shoes to fill, but he has an excellent background, and we should remain hopeful that with improved and direct access to the decision makers on the second floor of Fort Duquesne, he too will succeed and lead Bonas to a new level. Give thanks.
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Post by firstdev on Mar 21, 2015 16:28:39 GMT -5
That is "what", not "was", sorry for the typo. Enjoy the OSU UA game.
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Post by bigdobber on Mar 21, 2015 17:05:32 GMT -5
1st Dev...Your boy Mike V basically called the RC and Palumbo a dump...just like the Rose Hill gym. The Fordham board is lighting up with a lot of negative comments about the article and also the Michael Kay comments. Different world today where you just can't throw a paper out or cancel a subscription if you are unhappy with someones opinion. As I said earlier...the Post likes to cut across the grain. They are a conservative voice in a liberal city.
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