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Post by dadster81 on Mar 26, 2015 4:58:40 GMT -5
old coach... hermit... last 3 seasons 2013 - we dont make the a10 tourney seeded 13th.... no NIT...no NCAA 2012 - seeded 9th..... no NIT... no NCAA 2011 - seeded 7th.....no NIT....no NCAA Along with raising your glasses of kool aid - how about raising your level of expectations And at the same time , almost 75% say that Schmidt is the best coach we have had since we entered the Atlantic 10. I guess we know one of the votes in the minority. Lets try this again - one of the smallest, if not the smallest, schools in D1 - working with a BB budget that is the lowest in the league - and less than half of the top schools in the league - below the average BB budget that 330 plus schools work with - we are supposed to be dancing more often? = the only solution I have to your issues is that we join the MAAC.
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Post by jh on Mar 26, 2015 5:20:29 GMT -5
I have no desire to go to the MAAC - keep on going .500 with no NIT and no NCAA there will only be increased pressure to do so. If that makes you happy? fine...enjoy it... I think we are better than that,,, far better !!
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Post by dadster81 on Mar 26, 2015 5:43:52 GMT -5
Okay. Lets hear your plan - how do we consistently beat the likes of Dayton, VCU, Richmond, Davidson, etc. knowing what we have to work with financially and school wise? That is the only way we make the NIT or NCAAs. We are all ears. And the one request I do have is use realistic approaches, not wishes, in your response. For example, recruit 3 and 4 star players is a wish. A realistic approach would be to inform us on how we convince a 4 star athlete to turn down the likes of . . .
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Post by jh on Mar 26, 2015 5:59:51 GMT -5
Okay. Lets hear your plan - how do we consistently beat the likes of Dayton, VCU, Richmond, Davidson, etc. knowing what we have to work with financially and school wise? That is the only way we make the NIT or NCAAs. We are all ears. And the one request I do have is use realistic approaches, not wishes, in your response. For example, recruit 3 and 4 star players is a wish. A realistic approach would be to inform us on how we convince a 4 star athlete to turn down the likes of . . . It seems I have a higher opinion of our school and tradition and location than you do....,, I have typed here enough on where I would target recruiting
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Post by bigdobber on Mar 26, 2015 6:21:22 GMT -5
Jh is right about raising expectations for post season play and I think TK has indicated that he will be working on that. It's going to take a few years to upgrade the schedule but it's the right move. Jay was logging 35 minutes so the PT for the second PG was minimal at best. I think we are in good shape going forward with the program.
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Post by dadster81 on Mar 26, 2015 6:42:10 GMT -5
The world is a much bigger place than it was 30-40 years ago. Canadian kids do not stick to 200 miles of their border. Diamonds in the rough (something that our Coach does excel at) are harder to find. There are more people who get paid to push HS kids in front of coaches than there were ever before. Kids now about programs thousands of miles away, and coaches know about kids not in their backyards.
Tradition is great. Name the only school to win both the NCAA and NIT title in the same year. The ONLY school ever to do that? Don't look in the ranks of the D1 schools, cause they are no longer D1 - so you can see what Tradition did for them. One of the greatest college BB players of all time is Bill Russell. What a recruiting tool. How is their program doing? Larry Bird's school - how are they doing?
Here is what my response was based on - the current status of college recruiting. I have 6 relatives playing college sports. 4 D1, 1 getting $ to play D2, and a third who I wanted Bonas to look at, who was recruited by other D1 schools, who just got selected to play in the national top level all star game for D3. I coached 5 kids who play/ed D1, or got $ to play D2. One is a star on a Big Ten team, another played for Bonnies. One was named all league. One of these kids when the prep school route, two others the JUCO route. Three of the above kids transferred schools during their college careers. So I have a very good understanding of the current recruiting issues are for a blogger - and what kids and coaches consider when making decisions - at both the highest level of sports, at Ivies, and at programs similar to Bonas.
Tradition is a very minute piece of the puzzle. PLAYING TIME, PRACTICE FACILITIES, TRAVEL STYLE, RELATIONSHIP with the coaches, ABILITY TO BE SEEN live or on a screen by family and friends, CAMPUS LIFESTYLE are the main decision makers = in no particular order. Tradition, opportunities outside after school= probably around 8 or 9 on the list of priorities of what kids look for.
And that is what we are up against right now. I love Bonas, but until we have at least $1m more A YEAR to put into our BB progam, then winning 18 plus games a year, and catching lightning in a bottle every few years, means we are having a very good year.
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Post by jh on Mar 26, 2015 7:02:29 GMT -5
Once again we differ dadster - you seem to see no real way of success unless coach jim jones pulls a rabbit out of his hat... I'm actually optimistic, and believe our location and tradition and school and conference are the key - tapping into Toronto is a low budget drive away - I firmly believe parents still wish to watch their child's college career in person - Ontario now gushes with talent and we are the closest University in the USA from a multi-bid conference to that basketball gusher !!
What more could an Eddie Donovan ask for? Oh Canada will bring us where we need to be !!! Lets see what happens
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 26, 2015 7:40:13 GMT -5
The world is a much bigger place than it was 30-40 years ago. Canadian kids do not stick to 200 miles of their border. Diamonds in the rough (something that our Coach does excel at) are harder to find. There are more people who get paid to push HS kids in front of coaches than there were ever before. Kids now about programs thousands of miles away, and coaches know about kids not in their backyards. Tradition is great. Name the only school to win both the NCAA and NIT title in the same year. The ONLY school ever to do that? Don't look in the ranks of the D1 schools, cause they are no longer D1 - so you can see what Tradition did for them. One of the greatest college BB players of all time is Bill Russell. What a recruiting tool. How is their program doing? Larry Bird's school - how are they doing? Here is what my response was based on - the current status of college recruiting. I have 6 relatives playing college sports. 4 D1, 1 getting $ to play D2, and a third who I wanted Bonas to look at, who was recruited by other D1 schools, who just got selected to play in the national top level all star game for D3. I coached 5 kids who play/ed D1, or got $ to play D2. One is a star on a Big Ten team, another played for Bonnies. One was named all league. One of these kids when the prep school route, two others the JUCO route. Three of the above kids transferred schools during their college careers. So I have a very good understanding of the current recruiting issues are for a blogger - and what kids and coaches consider when making decisions - at both the highest level of sports, at Ivies, and at programs similar to Bonas. Tradition is a very minute piece of the puzzle. PLAYING TIME, PRACTICE FACILITIES, TRAVEL STYLE, RELATIONSHIP with the coaches, ABILITY TO BE SEEN live or on a screen by family and friends, CAMPUS LIFESTYLE are the main decision makers = in no particular order. Tradition, opportunities outside after school= probably around 8 or 9 on the list of priorities of what kids look for. And that is what we are up against right now. I love Bonas, but until we have at least $1m more A YEAR to put into our BB progam, then winning 18 plus games a year, and catching lightning in a bottle every few years, means we are having a very good year. This is what I have found too in my years of experience in college sports. Location to family is becoming less of an issue because so many games can be easily watched on TV or streaming that families aren't going to miss many games. Athletes can't make the weekend trips due to their sport so they are really only able to travel home on breaks. The difference in having to fly is not a big deal. Tradition is nice for trophy cases but kids really only care about things that have happened in the last three or four years. If it didn't happen when they were in high school the chances it made an impact with them is minimal. Kids see timelines very differently. To them, ten years is more than half their life so something that happened ten years ago is ancient to them. Start talking about things that happened in the 1970s or 1950s and you're talking about things their parents or grandparents night not even recall. The reality is there are many programs similar to Bonas. Kids have a lot of options.
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Post by Hermit on Mar 26, 2015 8:14:01 GMT -5
old coach... hermit... last 3 seasons 2013 - we dont make the a10 tourney seeded 13th.... no NIT...no NCAA 2012 - seeded 9th..... no NIT... no NCAA 2011 - seeded 7th.....no NIT....no NCAA Along with raising your glasses of kool aid - how about raising your level of expectations Jh.....that earlier post should have had the name Mike Rooney. If you go back a ways you will remember him as a highly touted player who never panned out. It happens. I first became a fan in '58. I was there for the hey day.....and more. Times change. I've had to temper my expectations . My expectation now is to be competitive. Nothing more. I've stated this before. Every once in a while Bonnies will get that extra special team..... go to the NIT.....or even make the dance. But it will not happen regularly. Have Class70 draw up a chart ( not sure what kind) of post season vs non post season play and see what it looks like......it won't be pretty, especially the last 35 years. I've had to do the same with the Yankees and the Bills! Temper expectations. And don't tell me that's not good enough......these days to be competitive at Bonnies .....or the vast majority of Div 1 schools.....is hard to do.....they give their heart and soul....
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 26, 2015 8:22:18 GMT -5
[/quote] The reality is there are many programs similar to Bonas. Kids have a lot of options. [/quote]
That's BS there is no place like Bonas
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 26, 2015 10:25:49 GMT -5
That's BS there is no place like Bonas I knew I would hear that... Bonas is a place to experience. It is not a place you can explain in a pamphlet or even in a home visit. Thus it is hard to convey to a recruit when every other program is also saying how they are unique and different.
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Post by thesocalkid on Mar 26, 2015 10:55:48 GMT -5
Maybe Alston is leaving due to the lack of jobs, HIGH taxes and little to no opportunity for kids in his age group? Just saying...
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 26, 2015 11:15:45 GMT -5
Maybe Alston is leaving due to the lack of jobs, HIGH taxes and little to no opportunity for kids in his age group? Just saying... hahahaha yeah, i'm sure thats it
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Post by bartmitchell on Mar 26, 2015 11:55:06 GMT -5
That's BS there is no place like Bonas I knew I would hear that... Bonas is a place to experience. It is not a place you can explain in a pamphlet or even in a home visit. Thus it is hard to convey to a recruit when every other program is also saying how they are unique and different. Bingo ! Bonas is special. No comparison between the way Bonnies wax poetic about their alma mater and the way 95% of our co-workers talk about their alma mater in the workplace - if they ever do talk about their alma mater. Not only do most people not have the same 'attachment' to their schools that we have for Bonas, they don't even 'get' what it is we are talking about. The challenge is how to communicate that 'feeling' during the recruiting process in a way that resonates and really means something to a kid, amidst all of the 'recruiting noise'. For some kids it won't be meaningful compared to say 'better' facilities, urban location, or some other tangible factor at another school.
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Post by tomgleason on Mar 26, 2015 12:35:02 GMT -5
old coach... hermit... last 3 seasons 2013 - we dont make the a10 tourney seeded 13th.... no NIT...no NCAA 2012 - seeded 9th..... no NIT... no NCAA 2011 - seeded 7th.....no NIT....no NCAA Along with raising your glasses of kool aid - how about raising your level of expectations jh...then just who the hell was it that my wife and I saw play at the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville in 2012...I believe it was the 4th seed in the A10 tourney, and Tha A10 CHAMPS...THE BONNIES...koolaid?...what have YOU been drinking?
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