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Post by localfan on Apr 2, 2015 12:28:10 GMT -5
Don't understand the desire to recruit "role players" to "compliment" as someone mentioned earlier. Why would we not look to bring in the best talent and expect them to challenge the remaining "core" three players? Yes, you can only send out 5 players at a time and they can only use one ball, but we should not be looking to recruit role players to compliment anybody. If that becomes our premise for recruiting, I submit we'd be in a very bad place. Yes, if they can't supplant a starter they become "role players" but looking for backups is not anything we should be doing - in my humble opinion. Post of the day, sony.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Apr 2, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the turnover ratio we've seen the past few years, and I double down on my disappointment when the holes get filled with JUCOs. I'll thoroughly disagree with this, though. Schmidt has a great track record with JUCOs. Posley is a JUCO. Cumberbatch, John Wall, Eric Mosley, the list goes on and on and on. Agree, I know you meant Jon Hall but when I wish we had Wall. JUCO's can be good to fill in gaps and Schmidt has had success with them.
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Post by u518370 on Apr 2, 2015 13:18:44 GMT -5
Sony - bad choice of wording in my earlier post. I completely agree that we should be looking for the best players to fill the remaining scholarships. That said, I do think it makes some sense to devote a scholarship or two to players that have a skill set that would specifically fill in the gaps that we anticipate on next year's roster. For instance, I would like to see the staff bring in a JUCO big man that would have the maturity/body type to help with rebounding and interior defense right away. I also think it might be tough to recruit a really talented PG with Jaylen presumably taking most of the minutes the next 3 years - meaning that a JUCO PG that can handle the press, make free throws, etc. would be a good addition.
With this many scholarships available I think it would be most efficient to target specific role players with at least a couple of them.
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Post by B02 on Apr 2, 2015 13:31:09 GMT -5
This just makes more sense that they add transfers because there is no need for 13 active scholarship players.
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Post by Copenhagen on Apr 2, 2015 15:28:03 GMT -5
And since our budget is limited, save a ship&funds with 12 players
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Post by efsboca on Apr 2, 2015 15:44:14 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the turnover ratio we've seen the past few years, and I double down on my disappointment when the holes get filled with JUCOs. I'll thoroughly disagree with this, though. Schmidt has a great track record with JUCOs. Posley is a JUCO. Cumberbatch, John Wall, Eric Mosley, the list goes on and on and on. They are complementary pieces when you've got an Andrew Nicholson at center. Other than 2012, what has our tournament success been? Juco's can be used to occasionally fill a hole, but not brought in every year to fill a big starters gap. I agree that a juco PG may be good to play a back-up role this year and next, but most Juco's, including 2 of the 3 you mentioned, were ok their first year and had a better second year. Then of course they were gone. I would think the 2 year turnover requires more spent on recruiting, but more importantly, unless you are a very special coach (Jerry Tark for instance) it is very hard to blend new juco talent every year into the team, whereas four year players build better continuity. So while I'd support a juco PG to back up Jalen, I would prefer a 4 year PG to come in and play 5-10 his first year, develop, play 10-15 his second year (maybe crossing at the 2 for a few minutes) and then taking over at the point when J leaves. True athletes are not afraid of competition, and I'd rather get a 4 year who has the mentality that he will beat out J even if he can't. Its a pity our best recruit in years is leaving, but when you can't pick up the schemes, you are no good to the team. I hope he doesn't shine elsewhere and make our staff look shortsighted.
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Post by ddsmugs on Apr 2, 2015 16:21:03 GMT -5
We all saw this coming. When a coach refuses to play a player he is sending a message. Its a nice way of saying "its not you its me".
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Post by localfan on Apr 2, 2015 17:40:59 GMT -5
I'll thoroughly disagree with this, though. Schmidt has a great track record with JUCOs. Posley is a JUCO. Cumberbatch, John Wall, Eric Mosley, the list goes on and on and on. They are complementary pieces when you've got an Andrew Nicholson at center. Other than 2012, what has our tournament success been? Juco's can be used to occasionally fill a hole, but not brought in every year to fill a big starters gap. I agree that a juco PG may be good to play a back-up role this year and next, but most Juco's, including 2 of the 3 you mentioned, were ok their first year and had a better second year. Then of course they were gone. I would think the 2 year turnover requires more spent on recruiting, but more importantly, unless you are a very special coach (Jerry Tark for instance) it is very hard to blend new juco talent every year into the team, whereas four year players build better continuity. So while I'd support a juco PG to back up Jalen, I would prefer a 4 year PG to come in and play 5-10 his first year, develop, play 10-15 his second year (maybe crossing at the 2 for a few minutes) and then taking over at the point when J leaves. True athletes are not afraid of competition, and I'd rather get a 4 year who has the mentality that he will beat out J even if he can't. Its a pity our best recruit in years is leaving, but when you can't pick up the schemes, you are no good to the team. I hope he doesn't shine elsewhere and make our staff look shortsighted. What "tournament success" are you talking about? Because if you're talking NCAA Tournament, we didn't have any "tournament success" in 2012, either. If you're talking A-10 tournament, we've had some pretty decent success in our last few years there. Coach Schmidt sees JUCOs as guys who can make a 2-year contribution right off the bat. Many freshman, as you've seen, don't make more than a 2-year meaningful contribution. Some, like our core group of players, do. Good luck finding a capable freshman willing to stay here for four years and play three of those four behind Jaylen. College basketball just isn't conducive to that kind of environment anymore.
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Post by class70 on Apr 2, 2015 17:56:42 GMT -5
We could probably maximize our performance by signing 3 five star recruits out of high school every year. But wait, we're not Kentucky, are we? We have to optimize because we are a small school with limited budget and rarely get recruits sought by the perennial powers. JUCO's and transfers have a place here because we have a better idea of what we're getting and they require a more limited investment with less down time. Does anybody here actually believe our team performance would be better without them? Schmidt certainly doesn't think so nor probably do most other coaches in the 50-150 RPI range. Sorry to perpetuate another of these pointless off-season discussions. A peaceful and joyful Easter celebration to all!
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Post by hilltopper on Apr 2, 2015 18:42:41 GMT -5
This makes the Jordan Gathers issue even more troublesome. I feel he could be useful now with his experience in the system.
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Post by longsufferingfaith on Apr 2, 2015 18:47:24 GMT -5
It's a disgrace, and a terrible coaching job by a nice man. In his brief opportunities, Xavier showed athletic ability, hops, shot blocking ability, and rebounding ability. He showed more than enough to demonstrate that he would have contributed far more than Dees ever did in a significant backup role to Ndoye. Yes, X did not shoot well, but Dees had no offensive game at all. In two years, he barely made the score sheet except in the personal foul column. Jalen scored 11 points in an early game, showing enough offensive promise to warrant far more opportunity than he received. This was a truly awful offense which repeatedly suffered long stretches when they were unable to score. How could Coach not give Jalen (or anyone) an opportunity to provide a desperately needed spark?
Do not blindly assume that Coach is a better judge of talent than anyone else. Rather, he is one stubborn, sonofagun. What message does it send to prospective recruits when kids with that much ability are buried and banished forever at the end of the bench. Shame on Coach. I hope Jalen turns into the prolific scorer that we so desperately need.
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Post by az63 on Apr 2, 2015 19:30:33 GMT -5
Was Xavier Smith the guy who came here based on Tyler Relph's recommendation?
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Post by route16 on Apr 2, 2015 19:35:35 GMT -5
I hope Jalen turns into the prolific scorer that we so desperately need. I wouldn't hold your breath. Other Schmidt transfers haven't exactly torn it up elsewhere.
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Post by sbu79 on Apr 2, 2015 19:47:34 GMT -5
Was Xavier Smith the guy who came here based on Tyler Relph's recommendation? That's him. I'm sorry to see him go. I met his parents last year in Florida. They were very nice. Xavier got to play in one of the games, and I told them that was a good sign since Schmidt rarely played Freshman.
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Post by Dunga on Apr 2, 2015 19:47:55 GMT -5
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