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Post by Hermit on Apr 3, 2015 14:55:06 GMT -5
Reischel was a transfer from Rice. Minnie was a transfer from Texas Tech. Oh my god!!!! Rhody obviously has no clue on how to recruit or manage a roster. What the hell is wrong with Hurley? Bring back Baron he can save the Rhody ship! Biggie Minnis is a tough loss in for the A-10's All-Name Team. Good thing Hurley snagged Four McGlynn from Towson to replace Minnis. Four has a certain Seinfeld cache to it. Where does Four play......the two or the three? I couldn't resist....
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Post by dadster81 on Apr 3, 2015 15:09:38 GMT -5
And the Townson recruit has only season of play left. Either the Hurleys cannot recruit despite their family's reputation, or it is the current status of college BB. I will go with the latter. Also from the RI Blog page - a lot of Canadian BB players visit St. Bonaventure - They think Alexander is raw, and are not looking at him.
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Post by sbu79 on Apr 3, 2015 15:17:21 GMT -5
Is it just my impression or has Schmidt been landing recruits in the last couple of cycles that people had actually associated with Bona? My earlier impression was that all the speculation was for naught since the signees invariably turned out to be names that weren't not even on the radar. If this is accurate, it may be an indication that we are getting more of the people we actually want instead of scrambling for the unusual situations that left someone available late (i.e. Matthew Wright).
All of this recruiting banter reminds me why I stopped reading all the speculation a few years back. Just too frustrating.
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Post by jh on Apr 3, 2015 16:26:07 GMT -5
Rhody just announced three guys leaving the program, including 2 rotation guys in Biggie Minnis (20 mpg), Jarelle Reischel (10 mpg) and another kid in Matthew Butler who averaged 8 mpg in 19 games. We announce two transfers who never played meaningful minutes all year and this board has been debating ad nauseum how poor our coaching staff recruits. Danny Hurley, on the other hand, is known as a recruiting wizard, despite the fact that these three guys that he recruited in his first class did not pan out and are leaving. Amazing. Yes = the MAJOR difference is the 5 guys who transferred out from us never played meaningful (if any) minutes at all indicating we brought them in and they simply were not A10 level. The Rhody kids transferring out were A10 caliber as displayed by seeing 20mpg amd 10mpg and 8mpg.... I guess you missed the point....we brought in 5 players in last 2 years that were near d2 level...thats the point
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Post by dadster81 on Apr 3, 2015 16:42:05 GMT -5
What is better, kids who transfer who are not seeing playing time, or kids who stay who are not seeing playing time? Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, I graduated in 1981. In the midst of some great BB teams and seasons. Great Coach in Satalin. 4 BB players started with my class. Highest recruited player never saw the floor in 4 years, and did not play his senior year. Another player barely saw the floor his last two years after sitting for two years. The one player who played "a lot" surprised a lot of BB experts. In fact, I remember discussing him with a recruiter from Lemoyne, a D2 school. They were trying to figure out what type of player he was since he played center in High School, and whether or not they should make him an offer. The player's name - Earl B.
In other words, even in the midst of our 20 plus winning seasons, coming off an NIT Championship, defeating Cuse to go the ECAC playoffs, and just 7 years earlier we went to the Final Four, we still had a hard time figuring out what recruits were going to turn out. We still recruited players who could not see meaningful, if any, minutes.
In fact, during my 4 years of great BB at Bonas, there were a lot of stiffs on the team, that never saw the court for any meaningful playing time, or had to leave school. Based on this measuring stick, I guess certain posters do not think Coach Satalin was not a great recruiter.
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Post by sneakers on Apr 3, 2015 17:35:05 GMT -5
= the MAJOR difference is the 5 guys who transferred out from us never played meaningful (if any) minutes at all indicating we brought them in and they simply were not A10 level. The Rhody kids transferring out were A10 caliber as displayed by seeing 20mpg amd 10mpg and 8mpg.... I guess you missed the point....we brought in 5 players in last 2 years that were near d2 level...thats the point I don't agree with the implication you are coming to for players seeing limited minutes. Just because the transferring players didn't see much playing time doesn't speak to whether they were A10 caliber or not. It speaks only to how they stacked up on the depth chart of the Bonnies' roster. There will ALWAYS be players on every team at the end of the bench who see limited action. This is true of Duke and Kentucky as well. Does it mean those players aren't ACC or SEC caliber or D1 caliber? No. It means that in their coach's opinion there are better players ahead of them on the roster.
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Post by bub on Apr 3, 2015 17:37:55 GMT -5
Rhody just announced three guys leaving the program, including 2 rotation guys in Biggie Minnis (20 mpg), Jarelle Reischel (10 mpg) and another kid in Matthew Butler who averaged 8 mpg in 19 games. We announce two transfers who never played meaningful minutes all year and this board has been debating ad nauseum how poor our coaching staff recruits. Danny Hurley, on the other hand, is known as a recruiting wizard, despite the fact that these three guys that he recruited in his first class did not pan out and are leaving. Amazing. Yes = the MAJOR difference is the 5 guys who transferred out from us never played meaningful (if any) minutes at all indicating we brought them in and they simply were not A10 level. The Rhody kids transferring out were A10 caliber as displayed by seeing 20mpg amd 10mpg and 8mpg.... I guess you missed the point....we brought in 5 players in last 2 years that were near d2 level...thats the point No. I think you missed the point. Again. In 20 minutes of play, Biggie averaged 3.7 points a game. Which is 3.7 points a game more than I averaged in zero minutes of play. He also shot 26% from three. The other 2 guys averaged 3 and 1.7 points per game. In other words, they can't play. Obviously not A-10 players. As a result, they were shown the door by Hurley or decided to seek lesser competition. In other words, Hurley missed on all three guys. Maybe they will end up in the MAAC .
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Post by jh on Apr 3, 2015 18:14:38 GMT -5
= the MAJOR difference is the 5 guys who transferred out from us never played meaningful (if any) minutes at all indicating we brought them in and they simply were not A10 level. The Rhody kids transferring out were A10 caliber as displayed by seeing 20mpg amd 10mpg and 8mpg.... I guess you missed the point....we brought in 5 players in last 2 years that were near d2 level...thats the point I don't agree with the implication you are coming to for players seeing limited minutes. Just because the transferring players didn't see much playing time doesn't speak to whether they were A10 caliber or not. It speaks only to how they stacked up on the depth chart of the Bonnies' roster. There will ALWAYS be players on every team at the end of the bench who see limited action. This is true of Duke and Kentucky as well. Does it mean those players aren't ACC or SEC caliber or D1 caliber? No. It means that in their coach's opinion there are better players ahead of them on the roster. Matthias Runs transferred to Georgia Southwestern & Jy Pierre transferred to Gannon - both are division 2 We will see on the most recent 3.
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Post by sneakers on Apr 3, 2015 18:35:54 GMT -5
I'm not opining on whether they are A10 caliber or even D1 caliber players. I'm saying that one can't necessarily come to that conclusion as you stated merely by looking at the amount of playing time they got last year. Lack of playing time merely means that in Schmdt's opinion there were better players on the roster. They may indeed all end up being D2 or D3 players. Tough to say since we saw such little of them.
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Post by jh on Apr 3, 2015 18:39:01 GMT -5
Yes = the MAJOR difference is the 5 guys who transferred out from us never played meaningful (if any) minutes at all indicating we brought them in and they simply were not A10 level. The Rhody kids transferring out were A10 caliber as displayed by seeing 20mpg amd 10mpg and 8mpg.... I guess you missed the point....we brought in 5 players in last 2 years that were near d2 level...thats the point No. I think you missed the point. Again. In 20 minutes of play, Biggie averaged 3.7 points a game. Which is 3.7 points a game more than I averaged in zero minutes of play. He also shot 26% from three. The other 2 guys averaged 3 and 1.7 points per game. In other words, they can't play. Obviously not A-10 players. As a result, they were shown the door by Hurley or decided to seek lesser competition. In other words, Hurley missed on all three guys. Maybe they will end up in the MAAC . Are you really gonna compare the talent and depth on the URI roster to the talent on this current roster - and how that translates to minutes and points? URI finished 23-9 and 13-5 in conference they have a very talented All-conference back court and will be adding a 4 star recruit and two 3 star recruits next year - they are perhaps the most talent loaded team in the A10. Players being recruited over and transferring often is evidence of a top recruiting line - PG Dylan Ennis is transferring out of Villanova because they have a 4 star PG coming in.
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Post by Jimmy Chitwood on Apr 3, 2015 19:00:44 GMT -5
I don't agree with the implication you are coming to for players seeing limited minutes. Just because the transferring players didn't see much playing time doesn't speak to whether they were A10 caliber or not. It speaks only to how they stacked up on the depth chart of the Bonnies' roster. There will ALWAYS be players on every team at the end of the bench who see limited action. This is true of Duke and Kentucky as well. Does it mean those players aren't ACC or SEC caliber or D1 caliber? No. It means that in their coach's opinion there are better players ahead of them on the roster. Matthias Runs transferred to Georgia Southwestern & Jy Pierre transferred to Gannon - both are division 2 We will see on the most recent 3. Some players choose to go D2 so that they can play right away.
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Post by sbu79 on Apr 3, 2015 19:11:42 GMT -5
With all due respect, jh, I think most people get the point you are trying to make. Personally, I think you need to tone it down a little if you want people to continue to listen. Many disagree with your point of view, and, by observation, no one has yet to change anyone's mind about anything on this board.
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Post by jh on Apr 3, 2015 19:18:34 GMT -5
bye bye you win
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Post by mick on Apr 3, 2015 20:05:18 GMT -5
I am not going to get into this ridiculous and useless debate regarding recruiting, developing players, coaches, etc.
But the rule of college basketball today is players transfer. It's simple, players are quick to transfer and they do it with increasing frequency in order to find playing time. Sure, 30 years ago, players stuck around a lot longer and sat on the end of the bench, but that isn't the game today. Coaches see the players everyday on the court, they determine who can play and who can't play. High school highlight tapes and games don't tell the full story.
Oh, and before we forget, players used to stay and play 4 years in college. Today, the game is more one and done. Duke starts three freshman tomorrow in the final four and all three will declare for the NBA as soon as the tournament ends. The same with Kentucky, but they are likely to see four, five, maybe six players leave after Monday night, all for the NBA.
Okay, so three players are leaving. Two didn't find a way to get off the bench, the same with two last year. Wish them luck and good fortune elsewhere.
I'm not comparing programs but U. of Albany today announced that three players are leaving. One a part-time starter, two others freshman who didn't get enough playing time and want other opportunities. And Siena? Well, so far four players are leaving the team, two starters, two freshman.
Deal with it folks. It is the way of the game today.
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Post by class70 on Apr 3, 2015 20:25:42 GMT -5
I agree, mick. Everyone should move on to a more interesting topic. It should be obvious to even the casual observer that Jalen's departure was required to reduce confusion between him and Jaylen. As to Xavier, his transfer finally corrects the faux pas of having someone named after the founder of the Jesuit order hooping it up at a Franciscan university. Two recruiting errors if ever there were.
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