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Post by Hermit on Apr 22, 2015 10:29:23 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong though, ceharv, I do understand that even back in the day there were things going on as far as transfers, coaching changes, etc. And I still love the Bonnies and will be very, very, disappointed if they don't land Alexander. But I also mentioned" one and dones". Having players leave for the pros early is probably good for many of them. There are pro teams now, all over the world. But it isn't good for college basketball. Name the All American team. I can't. Who led the country in scoring? No clue. What matchup am I most looking forward to next year.....Alcindor vs Hayes? Will Pistol average 44 again next year? The 3 point shot was added because the big man was dominating. The game now is a jump shooting contest.....or get as close to the basket as possible. No midrange game. Scoring is way down. There are absolutely too many timeouts. When they asked John Wooden why he didn't call a time out late in a game to design a play....he said...." Well that's why we practice..."
And to answer the question of Eddie Donovan staying at bona instead of going to the Knicks.....I think Eddie would answer....." There were two reasons why I was thought of as a great coach......Sam and Tom Stith...". Sam and Tom went to the Knicks, and so did Eddie.
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Post by maplehurst on Apr 22, 2015 10:43:44 GMT -5
I too have left the college games. It all started when Eastern traditional rivalries died with Penn State joining the Big Ten. The rearranging of the conferences in the 2000's ended a century of traditions. The last straw was Kelly installing fake grass in Rockne's Stadium last year. Now I only follow St. Bonaventure in men and women's basketball and Army in football. Also, I like NCAA Women's Hockey. I do not care to watch anything else at the college level. I don't enjoy many wins, but it's pretty honest and less expensive to attend. Those events are very good bargains, financially speaking.
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Post by towniegrad on Apr 22, 2015 11:54:16 GMT -5
These are some of the reasons why today's students feel no urgency to attend and support their team;and instead stay in their apt and play beer pong
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Post by thesenator on Apr 22, 2015 13:33:38 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong though, ceharv, I do understand that even back in the day there were things going on as far as transfers, coaching changes, etc. And I still love the Bonnies and will be very, very, disappointed if they don't land Alexander. But I also mentioned" one and dones". Having players leave for the pros early is probably good for many of them. There are pro teams now, all over the world. But it isn't good for college basketball. Name the All American team. I can't. Who led the country in scoring? No clue. What matchup am I most looking forward to next year.....Alcindor vs Hayes? Will Pistol average 44 again next year? The 3 point shot was added because the big man was dominating. The game now is a jump shooting contest.....or get as close to the basket as possible. No midrange game. Scoring is way down. There are absolutely too many timeouts. When they asked John Wooden why he didn't call a time out late in a game to design a play....he said...." Well that's why we practice..." And to answer the question of Eddie Donovan staying at bona instead of going to the Knicks.....I think Eddie would answer....." There were two reasons why I was thought of as a great coach......Sam and Tom Stith...". Sam and Tom went to the Knicks, and so did Eddie. good point, hermit...great players make great coaches...we've got people on this board who have been following college hoops for 50 years and here's a question for all here: who would you consider a great coach who won without great players?...i don't know about for a whole coaching career, but i think the job jimmy sats did with our '77 nit champion team would qualify for a great coaching job for a season, anyway...and the job coach crowley did with our sweet 16 team, i think, would also qualify as a great coaching job...
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Post by ceharv on Apr 25, 2015 7:41:03 GMT -5
Hermit and Senator - I agree and think it is undeniable that "one and done" is bad for the college game. But the real question remains - is it fair to those who can earn a very good (or better) living playing hoops to preclude them from doing so and instead play for free in college for 4 years - all the while risking an injury that might prevent them from earning anything from their talents? And who exactly has the power/right to require them to attend college - something they may have no interest in or talent for? The NCAA or even the NBA? I think that just about any judge or appeals court would rule no - that any attempt to do so would be unenforceable. And I think both organizations realize there's just no way they could win that court case.
Frankly I am surprised the next Moses Malone has not yet come along to challenge the requirement to play one year of college ball. My guess is that there are many of my colleagues in the legal field ready and anxious to take on that case and make a name for themself in the process.
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Post by az63 on Apr 25, 2015 9:00:01 GMT -5
ceharv - LeBron James???
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Post by agoo on Apr 25, 2015 9:24:21 GMT -5
LeBron came up before the one year ruling.
NBA and NCAA would be smart to change the policy to right out of HS or a two years in college, while also making a more robust developmental league. Emmanuel Mudiay, projected number 3 pick, shouldn't have to go to China to make a living for a year if he doesn't want to go the college route.
Baseball's rule is come out of HS or spend 3 in college, but they also have a comprehensive developmental system for an 18 year old to work his way through. I don't think the NBA should be developing the depth of a system that MLB has, but making a true minor league operation would be a great benefit to the league and college ball. Yes, we'd miss out on a year of top players like Okafor and Towns, but we wouldn't also be stuck figuring out who the big players are every year. Guys like those two would go right to the NBA/D-league, while a guy like Frank Kamnisky would stick around and develop into a four year player at Wisconsin. A guy like Justise Winslow would probably spend two years at Duke before going pro.
Another good benefit would be what MLS provides to players that come out from high school or leave college early. If your career doesn't work out for you, they'll pay for you to complete your education.
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Post by sony on Apr 25, 2015 17:29:54 GMT -5
The NBA does have a "minor league" - the NCAA!!!
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 25, 2015 23:43:38 GMT -5
The only way to get the big man in the game and to promote the mid-range jumper is to get rid of the 3-pt. shot. I'm all for it, but it will never happen. I completely agree about the mid-rage game being a lost art. Just for an example, seeing a guy like Dion Wright or even Ndoye (on a good night) pulling up and hitting those "basic" jumpers, is a great thing to watch. Now you just see guys lean in, lobbying a shot up, trying to draw a foul, and thats not entertaining, or very effective in keeping the game fluid.. In the pros, you can go back to AI, Kobe, and Michael Jordan, and see how those guys used that shot to their advantage. Now unfortunately, you either see a guy take a deep three, or flail trying to get to the hoop.. Its just agonizing to watch, with all the whistles, fouls, and stoppages in play..
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