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Post by derhut on Jul 27, 2015 6:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Jul 27, 2015 7:38:21 GMT -5
Thanks for posting.
One row; 48 seats - and a lot of folks went off the rails - vowing to stop contributions blah, blah, blah.
As is becoming increasingly commonplace in today's world, some posters wanted to think the worst - so they did. It was "ready fire aim" and then some! The new AD's motives & integrity were questioned.
A really nice welcome by some of you to the new AD. So much for the good journey.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Jul 27, 2015 7:52:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately the article does nothing to put the discussion to bed. The article adds no new information and makes assumptions of the fan base that are not true. Let’s start with better options than current plan. - Despite the article and what Tim says a padded rail would be greeted with much better reaction - Have all RC personnel reinforce the student section with a rope or human barrier in last minutes of close or big Games. - This may be slightly controversial in terms of being better than court seats but bleacher out section behind visitor bench and put student section back over there. This provides actual safety to the court (something the seats won’t really do) you can still put in the court side seats and I enjoy the added benefit of giving the cry babies of the A-10 a smirk in the you get what you wish for angle. - The best and easiest option in my opinion: Put in the planned seats and reserve the ones in front of the student section for exemplary student groups or individuals ONLY. I am no where near as dedicated and thoughtful as our athletic department and I feel like the options above are much better than current plan. I am sure they could even come up with better options if they re thought this plan. On a side note enough of the Duke reference. We have zero national championships, not a fraction of their budget, and we are nowhere close to Duke in any other measurable category. We are not Duke, we are the BONNIES and we have something they don’t have in a bad ass on the court incredibly unique student section that can’t be bought, yet we are just going to throw it away in attempts to be a not nearly as cool Duke? This article makes it seems like critics of Tim’s plan are just denying realities or are stuck in the good ole days. The alumni get it Tim we need to change but not the way you see it. Tim says “The people who are naysayers think we shouldn’t change at all” That is simply not true. No logical person would say under A-10 pressure (if legitimate) we should remain stagnant and take fines (if that would even happen). I would argue to fight the A-10 on it but am willing to concede there. What the majority of Alumni are telling the athletic department “loud and clear” is that this particular solution is a bad one, not because of tradition, not because of the money (we like that), not because of safety, it’s just bad solution, time to go back to the drawing board Tim. I will keep saying this, the decision is bigger than seats, if followed through this plan will completely destroy the one and only advantage Bona has in a conference and D1 environment built against us. Less talk, more action...Donate to the BAF and give seats students deserve…. www.gofundme.com/zsh3kd8
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Post by B02 on Jul 27, 2015 8:33:09 GMT -5
Interesting take bonafan08, but where do you get that a majority of alumni are against this? I think most alumni would rather see us make a change as opposed to a fine. The barricade would need to be up the entire game not just the last moments. Who is to say the people sitting in the student section chair backs aren't going to be Great alumni who want to experience the student section. The A10 concern is when play is going on ie an inbound play and there is a student right next to a player. Will the student section not be as loud when they are a foot back? I would just like to see the student section return back to it's old form when you had to show up an hour or so before the game to get a seat. Enrollment needs to increase for that happen although I graduated with a class in the upper 500's I believe and we used to fill both end zones. I think seat donations to current and prospective students are a great idea. I also think saving a few of seats to auction off are good too because I think it could bring in more revenue.
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Post by sneakers on Jul 27, 2015 9:22:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately the article does nothing to put the discussion to bed. The article adds no new information and makes assumptions of the fan base that are not true. Let’s start with better options than current plan. - Despite the article and what Tim says a padded rail would be greeted with much better reaction - Have all RC personnel reinforce the student section with a rope or human barrier in last minutes of close or big Games. - This may be slightly controversial in terms of being better than court seats but bleacher out section behind visitor bench and put student section back over there. This provides actual safety to the court (something the seats won’t really do) you can still put in the court side seats and I enjoy the added benefit of giving the cry babies of the A-10 a smirk in the you get what you wish for angle. - The best and easiest option in my opinion: Put in the planned seats and reserve the ones in front of the student section for exemplary student groups or individuals ONLY. Less talk, more action...Donate to the BAF and give seats students deserve…. www.gofundme.com/zsh3kd8I'm sorry, but your first several suggestions above are far worse than what the athletic department came up with, and implementing those changes probably would have been met by many more "fans" howling than are howling now. I don't see any other posters asking for a rail or a fence around the students or a line of security guards forming a human barrier holding ropes. In fact there have been a series of complaints about too many security personnel around the students. Your last bullet makes some sense. Also, posters seem to be concerned that those in the one row of seats in front of the students won't like the students rowdiness. While admittedly some older fans may be annoyed, other fans (including many on this board) would LOVE IT! The more sensitive fans should buy the seats on the side of the court without students. Buyer beware, but I think many may choose to be with the students. If we have to put up a barrier in order to better control access to the courts and reduce the chance of an injury and liability to the University, why not add some additional seats that create revenue for the program (which is in desperate need of new revenue) while only moving the students back a foot or two? Seems like the best solution to me. TK was hired to put the program into better financial shape and this move kills two birds with one stone.
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Post by 5and23 on Jul 27, 2015 9:29:34 GMT -5
So this article actually explains things a bit. Less BS, more straight talk.
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Post by fan4ever on Jul 27, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -5
Ummmm...I'm thinking that SBU's Director of Safety and Security, Gary Segrue, might just have a bit more knowledge of safety and security than AD Kenney. Was Mr. Segrue even spoken with regarding the seating changes?
Gary M. Segrue of Lakewood has been appointed director of the Safety and Security Department at St. Bonaventure University, announced Rick Trietley, vice president of Student Affairs.
Segrue has been a member of the New York State Police since 1989, most recently as station commander at the State Police barracks in Jamestown. He’s been a sergeant since 1997, and previously served as an investigator with the Community Narcotics Enforcement Team from 1994 to 1997.
“We are extremely pleased that Gary is joining the SBU team as our new director of Safety and Security. His 26 years of law enforcement experience with the New York State Police will be invaluable to our continued efforts to maintain a safe and secure environment for our students and employees,” said Rick Trietley, vice president of Student Affairs.
“His leadership, investigative and administrative skill sets clearly set him apart from the other very highly qualified candidates in the search process.”
Segrue has served as an adjunct instructor for the last nine years at Jamestown Community College, and logged nearly 500 hours as a special topics instructor with the State Police from 1992 to 1997.
Segrue was named the 2015 Non-Commissioned Officer Supervisor of the Year at the New York State Troopers Police Benevolent Association Awards Dinner on June 3 in New York City.
“Ensuring the safety and security of the St. Bonaventure community is both a great challenge and great honor,” Segrue said. “I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the mission of St. Bonaventure University.”
Segrue received bachelor’s (1992) and master’s (2009) degrees in criminal justice from the University at Albany. He’s also completed more than 50 post-academy training programs with the State Police, as well as seven federal law enforcement programs with the FBI, FEMA and the Department of Justice
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Post by bjif on Jul 27, 2015 10:00:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a very competent addition.
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Post by fan4ever on Jul 27, 2015 10:27:29 GMT -5
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Post by fan4ever on Jul 27, 2015 10:31:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a very competent addition.
Indeed he does. Did AD Kenney even bother to consult with Mr. Segrue?
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Post by derhut on Jul 27, 2015 10:33:47 GMT -5
Mr. Segrue graduated from the Univ of Albany...is he a spy for little Wil Brown ?
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Post by sbu79 on Jul 27, 2015 12:23:18 GMT -5
Sounds like a very competent addition.
Indeed he does. Did AD Kenney even bother to consult with Mr. Segrue?
Perhaps he did. We don't know.
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Post by towniegrad on Jul 27, 2015 12:24:17 GMT -5
it's sad that things like security,and law enforcement have become critical to college basketball,and American life in general This is not unique to bona,but student behavior is more and more often characterized. by drunkeness, offensive language, and antisocial behavior . The fact that many on the board think this is a school asset shows how far down the road things are. Characterizing students as "rowdy" and considering it a compliment is an example The game can stand by itself. It doesn't,t need student performance art,alcohol, or juvenile delinquents to assist it. Those who want to support their team can do it from anywhere in the venue.
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Post by Jive36 on Jul 27, 2015 12:45:22 GMT -5
it's sad that things like security,and law enforcement have become critical to college basketball,and American life in general This is not unique to bona,but student behavior is more and more often characterized. by drunkeness, offensive language, and antisocial behavior . The fact that many on the board think this is a school asset shows how far down the road things are. Characterizing students as "rowdy" and considering it a compliment is an example The game can stand by itself. It doesn't,t need student performance art,alcohol, or juvenile delinquents to assist it. Those who want to support their team can do it from anywhere in the venue. I'm glad townie grad wants to turn it into tennis where the crowd gets yelled at for being "rowdy"... Although there is some validity in his point. Doesnt need to be a drunken riot to be supportive and effective but being rowdy does not make on a juvenile delinquent.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 27, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -5
After reading Chuck Pollock's interview with Kenney I am even more convinced that he should be shown the door, and sooner rather than later. Reading between lines is his worthless justification for boxing the the students out of the floor:
One - Bona fans verbally harassed a UMass player (his player!)in an out of bounds play two years ago. Apparently this left a lasting impression with Kenney who was at the time a UMass employee and asst. AD. So presto as soon as he took over here he invented the "A10 Mandate" and "A10 fines" (still no paper trail released from the A10 mandating that SBU make these changes or are subject to mandatory fines, and i doubt we will ever see any either) as his justification for what is in reality muzzling the student fans. What he still does not get, and apparently is in no rush to learn is this - Bona student fans are incredible loyal and passionate about the team. Yes they do support the Brown and White, and yes they do so in a very spirited manner. Thank God for that. Building barriers i.e.: with court premium seats, and stationing more security troopers is a direct attack on the spirit of the student fans. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Because Kenney does not want to comprehend it, he has predetermined his policy, with no previous SBU experience what so ever, its his way or the highway. God forbid Bona student fans could actually storm the court after a major victory!
Two - Greed - Kenney would rather substitute $710 premium seats for student spirit is order to further his own fundraising goals. In short easy money trumps student support every time. Is the extent of his fundraising ideas? Pathetic.
Three - Oversight - This entire situation and the firestorm that it created is a prime example of what happens when policy is strutted out with little or no critical feedback. When you have folks who literally bleed brown and white threatening boycotts of the BAF, games and contributions you have a real and urgent problem in your midst up close and personal.
Four - Withdraw the wrongheaded policy and start over, and if the AD refuses then send Kenney (UB and Umass) back to Amherst (New York and Mass), and hire an individual who knows the game at the RC, and knows our culture and what makes us tick. A Steve Watson like figure who is deeply respected and respects all that is Bonas, and always will (how did SW get away, I must have missed that explanation?).
Get moving time is a wasting!
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