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Post by localfan on Aug 24, 2015 18:05:31 GMT -5
First of all, let me point out that I understand the difficulty of scheduling out of conference for our school. There are real challenges that exist and it makes it tough. That being said......
I am extremely disappointed in this year's non-conference schedule.
We're an 18 win team that won 10 conference games last year and didn't get a sniff into any kind of meaningful postseason tournament because of our weak strength of schedule.
Instead of learning from that, we have ONE semi-difficult game (at Syracuse in a weak year for them). Everything else would be classified in the "should win" category. Which means when we lose one of those games (and we will, probably more than one), they're SOS killers. And it absolutely crushes any chance of getting to any meaningful postseason tournaments. And before I get a barrage of responses telling me how tough Hofstra or UB may be, they play in lesser conferences and they're playing on our home court. Losses to them will hurt the SOS.
I understand our budgetary constraints and I certainly understand that our program can't be expected to compete for the NCAA Tournament on a yearly basis. But when you have a team you think should be good, you need to schedule accordingly. Go and play games at power conference teams (and get paid money to do it). If you lose, so be it. But if you steal one or two wins, you've got some real nice credentials for your postseason tournament resume.
Just my opinion, but I certainly did not go to the Mark Schmidt school of scheduling. I was hoping Tim Kenney wouldn't be a proponent either. This, to me, is one of those schedules for a team you'd think has the capability to barely get to 10 wins.
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Post by towniegrad on Aug 24, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
Right,but bona will be lucky to match last years record.
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Post by tastylicks on Aug 24, 2015 19:02:37 GMT -5
I thought it is a very good OOC schedule myself
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Post by Hermit on Aug 24, 2015 20:06:28 GMT -5
I disagree, localfan. Bonnies did not get a bid last year because of their (lack of) strength of schedule, they didn't get a bid because they only won 18 games. You need to win 20 games....or more ...to get to the NIT. ( there could be examples of teams with fewer than 20 wins that got in....but that would have been special circumstances).
And.....if the Bonnies had played some tougher teams last year......they wouldn't have won 18 games.
(We may have got in if we had beaten Dayton in the A 10 tourney.. That was the key game.)
Something special these days has a totally different meaning than in my day. In my day, a top ten team was special!
Special, these days, to me, is a team that works hard, plays to and above its talent level. A team that will give most teams a tough game. A Mark Schmidt team.
Even in the old days though...(SoCal ......let's not forget)....there were plenty of LeMoynes, Belmont Abbey, Villa Madonna........
I do like that fact tho, that you think we can win most of them.
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Post by Pinnum on Aug 24, 2015 21:12:30 GMT -5
The Bonnie's didn't have a post season because they lost to UMES at home and at Delaware.
I don't have a problem with the schedule.
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Post by Chuck on Aug 24, 2015 22:07:26 GMT -5
Wins are a lot more important than SOS. For proof just take a look at GW and UMass, which are the 2 teams that tied the Bonnies for 6th place in the A-10. GW went to the NIT and UMass was left out even though they had a much stronger schedule. Out of conference schedules --Bonnies played 2 games against teams with RPI under 100. They beat UB and lost to Pitt. Record 1-1 --GW like the Bonnies have just 2 games beating Wichita St. and losing to Virginia. Record 1-1 --UMass had 7 games against teams with RPI under 100. UMass wins 2 and loses 5. Record 2-5 SOS --Bonnies SOS is 136 --GW is 131 --UMass is way better at 65 Wins and RPI --Bonnies 18 wins 126 RPI --GW 22 wins 81 RPI --UMass 17 wins 84 RPI GW goes to NIT even though UMass played a much tougher OOC schedule and they had almost identical RPIs. The difference was GW's 4 extra wins over cream puff teams in their weak OOC schedule. If Bonnies would have beaten Siena, UMES and Delaware the Bonnies would have 21 wins and they probably would have been in the NIT with GW. Wins are more important than a strong OOC schedule. warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/conference/Atlantic%2010warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Saint-Bonaventurewarrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/George-Washingtonwarrennolan.com/basketball/2015/schedule/Massachusetts |
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Post by kcSBU03 on Aug 25, 2015 8:00:11 GMT -5
The schedule isnt that weak. It is stronger than last year. Vermont, Hofstra and Canisius are all very good lower conference teams and should all be top 150 RPI. I bet we go 2-1 against those 3, at best. Unfortunately UB has fallen off a cliff or else this would be an even better schedule.
If we had won 22 games last year, then I would agree to try and schedule tougher but its not easy for us. I love how people piss and moan about the schedule but also admit its tough for us. What would you do then? We had a weak schedule last year and had a very disappointing showing with it. So the solution is to upgrade?
Oh, and thanks for starting yet another thread on the schedule. If only we had somewhere to talk about the schedule already....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 8:30:59 GMT -5
If we don't slip against the weaker teams on our schedule and win some marquee games in the Atlantis 10 we have a chance at the postseason. 20 wins has become irrelevant as a measuring stick for the post-season. Did you win the games you were supposed to and did you beat some teams you weren't supposed to is what matters. If we take care of business this could be a great year.
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 10:08:16 GMT -5
The Bonnie's didn't have a post season because they lost to UMES at home and at Delaware. I don't have a problem with the schedule. My point exactly. When you schedule constant games against these kinds of teams, you're going to lose some of those games. And, when you do, you're out. My rule would be for every INSERT CUPCAKE HERE you add a road game against a decent or very good team. Hedge your bets. |
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 10:09:56 GMT -5
If we had won 22 games last year, then I would agree to try and schedule tougher but its not easy for us. I love how people piss and moan about the schedule but also admit its tough for us. What would you do then? We had a weak schedule last year and had a very disappointing showing with it. So the solution is to upgrade? If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. When I say it's difficult to schedule, I'm talking about home or neutral games against decent to good opponents. It is not difficult to schedule road games at quality teams. It's so easy, in fact, that they'd pay us to do it. You're welcome on creating the thread. Happy to help. |
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 10:11:55 GMT -5
I appreciate all of the responses. As I've stated in other threads and many times before, we all certainly want what's best for Bonas.
I would go back to the 2012 Tournament year as my main example. We won the A-10 Tourney to get in, and that's great, but had we lost that game against Xavier we might not have even been in the NIT.
I think when you have a team that you feel can compete in the upper echelon of the conference, you do everything you can to put together a challenging schedule that allows them the opportunity to earn quality wins outside of the conference. I don't think we have that schedule.
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Post by marylandbonnie1 on Aug 25, 2015 10:22:29 GMT -5
The Bonnie's didn't have a post season because they lost to UMES at home and at Delaware. I don't have a problem with the schedule. My point exactly. When you schedule constant games against these kinds of teams, you're going to lose some of those games. And, when you do, you're out. My rule would be for every INSERT CUPCAKE HERE you add a road game against a decent or very good team. Hedge your bets. I like the schedule!! He is how the selection committe's work. Fringe NCAA or even NIT teams do not lose at home in non-conference. If we lose to South Carolina St for example, we are not going as an At-Large to either tournament. I agree with Local on OOC road games, take a buy game or two with teams that are POTENTIALLY in theTop 100 RPI and a Power 5 conference. Syracuse is one...where is the second |
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Post by 123Rob on Aug 25, 2015 10:41:52 GMT -5
In the past, the BB program has not been allowed to keep the full payout from big guarantee games. It didn't even stay with the athletic dept but went into the general coffers. Hopefully, TK can change that.
But, if the money is not kept in the program, I am fine with one guarantee game per year. If that does change then maybe the scheduling strategy will change as well.
Overall, I think this year's schedule is great. I think the posters criticizing it are dreamers or rabble rousers.
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
In the past, the BB program has not been allowed to keep the full payout from big guarantee games. It didn't even stay with the athletic dept but went into the general coffers. Hopefully, TK can change that. But, if the money is not kept in the program, I am fine with one guarantee game per year. If that does change then maybe the scheduling strategy will change as well. Overall, I think this year's schedule is great. I think the posters criticizing it are dreamers or rabble rousers. Here we go again. Here's a newsflash, 123rob: Someone with a different opinion is not automatically a "dreamer" or a "rabble rouser" ... they might be someone with, you know, a different opinion. The shaming on this board for speaking how you feel in a civil manner is so beyond ridiculous. Most of us are adults. We can't have dialogue without name calling? |
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Post by 5and23 on Aug 25, 2015 11:28:41 GMT -5
This discussion could very easily be taking place in the thread called "schedule." Or, if that, for some mysterious reason, didn't meet our needs, we could be talking in the other thread about the schedule, also called "schedule" incidentally. But here we are ... old habits, I guess.
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