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Post by bonawolf02 on Nov 23, 2015 17:01:36 GMT -5
Why can't the Bonnies seem to ever squeeze into one of the more compelling early season tournaments? Feast Week, which is actually "Feast 2 Weeks" starting last week, is one of the top sports weeks during the year - hands down. At one point there were a handful....Maui, Great Alaska Shootout, Pre-Season NIT and so on. Now there are like 20....Paradise Jam, Cancun, Orlando, Charleston, San Juan, Bahamas, etc., etc. And I'm not talking about the Gulf Coast Showcase beating the likes of Southern Illinois, Wagner and losing to La Tech in the championship game - even though La Tech was good that year.
I believe the last time SBU played in anything worth talking about was the Paradise Jam in 2002, beating Va Tech & Michigan before losing to BYU in the Championship game. That's 13 years ago! If the Bonnies were to get into one of these tournaments, the school would be on the national stage and in turn would be huge from a marketing standpoint. Not to mention, help put the hoops program on a level playing field with other A-10 schools that DO play in these events and help with recruiting.
If George Mason (and others) can do it, why can't the Bonnies? |
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Post by tastylicks on Nov 23, 2015 18:46:33 GMT -5
I agree. Would be nice to play in one of these. An underrated benefit is that it gets the team used to playing multiple games in a row in a big venue like they will at conference tournament. Good way to gear up for that.
Btw our upcoming opponent, Hofstra is playing in the 3rd place game tonight at the Paradise Jam after beating Florida St and losing to South Carolina
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Post by thebonafan08 on Nov 23, 2015 23:17:14 GMT -5
I've wondered this myself it seems like a no brainer, there must be a reason...do you have to pay to get in? Are we afraid of losing home game opportunities? or is it because we are so small we never get invited?
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Post by kcSBU03 on Nov 24, 2015 8:45:31 GMT -5
I've wondered this myself it seems like a no brainer, there must be a reason...do you have to pay to get in? Are we afraid of losing home game opportunities? or is it because we are so small we never get invited? I think it is #3 |
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Post by gdub2009 on Nov 24, 2015 9:13:24 GMT -5
I am going to guess most likely #3 too. We have to somehow market how well our fan base travels and buys merchandise. I would think that would be a huge factor in getting invited to one of these tournaments. All I can remember at Nashville was how the t-shirts with St.Bonaventure on them sold out way before the 1st game, which wasn't even our game, and how our t-shirts were the only ones sold out.
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Post by sony on Nov 24, 2015 9:39:06 GMT -5
Think it might have a bit to do with the potential TV audience we present - rabid, but relatively small alumni, from a small Tv market as well. I suspect unless we consistently upset several of the "big boys",it will be a struggle.
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Post by gdub2009 on Nov 24, 2015 9:44:39 GMT -5
Yes, very good point sony
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Post by bonawolf02 on Nov 24, 2015 9:49:10 GMT -5
Here's a view on some of the teams in early season tourney's - these are all main draw tournaments that the teams are participating in....I would challenge Bonas is a bigger name with more history in college basketball than these squads. "#3" shouldn't be a reason...not buying it...
-Missouri St.
-Bradley
-George Mason
-Long Beach St.
-Towson
-Hoftra
-Tulsa
-Indiana St.
-Norfolk St.
-Ohio U.
-Old Dominion
-St. Joes
-UMass
-Rhody
-Illinois St.
-Charlotte
-Entire Great Alaska Shootout Field (Loyola-Chi, Drexel, Toledo, UNC Asheville, Etc.)
-Monmouth
-UC Irvine
-Boise St.
-Evansville
-Santa Clara
-UAB
-Kent. St.
This is not counting other A-10 teams...GW, Richmond, Dayton....and other non-nationally scope tournaments.
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Post by agoo on Nov 24, 2015 10:12:54 GMT -5
How many of those teams are being fed to the likes of Duke and other powerhouse teams? We would be attractive to these tournaments as we'd bring a viewership, but not enough of a viewership to outweigh our chance at knocking off a P5 school. These tournaments are money grabs and we're in that weird in-between field where we'd bring in some money in the first round, but not the levels of money they're looking for in the later rounds. This doesn't really apply to the Great Alaska Shootout, but how many teams are really clamoring to go there? You can check out the tournaments here. These are set up for schools who have student bodies larger than our entire alumni base to win. They just can't risk a school like ours winning their tournament or knocking off one of their massive institutions, and they won't take that risk with us. |
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Post by bonawolf02 on Nov 24, 2015 10:22:40 GMT -5
Have you watched any of these games over the past week? Other than the Maui, no one is there, anyway. Still plenty of good seats to go around as they say. George Mason knocked off two P5 teams and made it to the final; Hofstra knocked off FSU - both had about 10 people in the stands cheering them on.
Not really seeing your position here. We'd better out attend and out view Monmouth, Norfolk St., Towson, Illinois St., etc. or our program's in real trouble.........
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Post by agoo on Nov 24, 2015 10:34:15 GMT -5
TV money. The venues get covered by the networks who need the content.
We'd provide better attendance (and viewership) than Towson. We'd also probably beat Oaklahoma State, which would be bad for viewership.
OK State blew it against George Mason, but we would have knocked them off in the first round, giving the network just one chance at drawing that big viewership.
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Post by sbu79 on Nov 24, 2015 10:52:47 GMT -5
Have you watched any of these games over the past week? Other than the Maui, no one is there, anyway... This is a point no one wants to recognize. Most of these are not attendance driven tournaments. Hell, some of them are held in hotel ball rooms with temporary stands. It's all about the TV draw and contracts that none of us are privy to. I don't know what expense, if any, the school has to pick up to participate, but that certainly could be a factor. |
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Post by agoo on Nov 24, 2015 10:58:11 GMT -5
I can keep going with this (and some bad examples).
The Paradise Jam was set up for Florida State to face South Carolina in the final, which are two massive schools with potential huge viewership. Hofstra threw a wrench into that. If we replaced Norfolk State, would we have knocked off South Carolina before the tournament stated?
Monmouth is playing Notre Dame and USC. Are those teams we could beat? Sure, not Monmouth though.
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Post by agoo on Nov 24, 2015 11:28:11 GMT -5
Have you watched any of these games over the past week? Other than the Maui, no one is there, anyway... This is a point no one wants to recognize. Most of these are not attendance driven tournaments. Hell, some of them are held in hotel ball rooms with temporary stands. It's all about the TV draw and contracts that none of us are privy to. I don't know what expense, if any, the school has to pick up to participate, but that certainly could be a factor. I would further contend that college sports aren't attendance driven any more. That's as true for these tournaments as it is for Michigan putting 100,000+ in the big house for football. |
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Post by Sipowicz on Nov 24, 2015 12:24:38 GMT -5
On the COACH SCHMIDT radio show on WPIG, can listeners call in with questions? If so, maybe someone could call in and ask Coach SCHMIDT, If not, perhaps Gary Nease could ask the Coach his feelings on early inseason tourneys.
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