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Post by tomgleason on Jan 18, 2017 18:49:52 GMT -5
The SLU announcers are all over the SLU players. "the real players are in black warm-ups" "next year will be so much better" And the brown jerseys, the other guy remarked |
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Jan 18, 2017 18:55:12 GMT -5
The SLU announcers are all over the SLU players. "the real players are in black warm-ups" "next year will be so much better" And the brown jerseys, the other guy remarked I was pretty shocked that they kept saying that, and i get they didn't have much material to on with the group playing, but it was still a bit much and inconsiderate to the ones out there trying.. |
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Post by tomgleason on Jan 18, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5
Thank you! And i considered maybe it was from Rochester, but there wasn't anyone in the stands, and the court up in Rochester has different colors too, none of which i saw, it looked identical to the St. Louis court.. Caught it too...was definitely the SLU court and was wondering the same thing. Busted - now who's turning them into Burnadette? It was definitely our practice in their home court...can't believe we would ALLOW them to film our game plan...now, it didn't help them at all last night, but does this set a precedent for Travis Ford teams? |
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Post by runningrj1 on Jan 18, 2017 19:24:13 GMT -5
Noticed it too. Couldn't tell who was on the court they were watching, but it did not look like game film and definitely not our court. Thank you! And i considered maybe it was from Rochester, but there wasn't anyone in the stands, and the court up in Rochester has different colors too, none of which i saw, it looked identical to the St. Louis court.. I noticed that as well. I said to "myself isn't that against the rules?" Because it was obviously SLU's home court. The TV had that stupid looking blue billikens logo at half court. Seems like Ford took a page out of Belicheats playbook. Does anyone know if it is a rule violation to tape your opponents practice? If so...what are possible punishments? Seems kinda shady. |
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Post by fjs64 on Jan 18, 2017 19:28:02 GMT -5
From the 1959 Holiday Festival 96-56 loss to #1 Cincinnati, "Bonnies way out of contention now," from Don McLean's broadcast from Madison Square Garden. The term Bonnies was used by the NY Daily News on multiple occasions.....the one I remembered most was a back page headline saying Bonnies and Clyde.....referring to our team and the great Hall of Fame basketball player Walt "Clyde" Frazier. Of course the newspapers in NY used the term Bonnies as maplehurst mentioned and that was how I was introduced to the school in the late 50's. A quote from USA Today when we lost to Kentucky: "Down in a bitter Bonnie end" and numerous Bonnies references. A 1974 supplement to the OTH shows on page 2 a picture of Eddie Donovan with Tom Stith with the caption in part saying "...with Eddie Donovan who was his coach with the Bonnies". The front cover said "We salute a couple of former Bonnies..... I remember the term Bonnies from when I started school in the fall of 1960. Of course, using the full name St Bonaventure was what would be used in the first paragraph of any article, but references to St Bona's, the Bonnies and the Brown Indians, with the latter being less used from my rememberances. |
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Post by fjs64 on Jan 18, 2017 19:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by res on Jan 18, 2017 19:36:01 GMT -5
Maybe senility is setting in, but my recollection is of always having referred to the team as the Bonnies and never heard of this "Brown Indian" thing until I showed up on campus. That's interesting. My sister graduated in 1971 and she and her friends hated it when anyone referred to the "Bonnies". Of course, the person I heard most use that term at that time was Don McLean. |
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Post by Hermit on Jan 18, 2017 19:58:27 GMT -5
"Bonnies" go back as far as i go, and I go back to '57. Blame Don McClean i guess, ( bonnies announcer back then and still my favorite)
He used the term all the time. Brown Indians not so much.
Dont forget... we used to have .... the Brown Indians... Redmen, Orangemen, and Purple Eagles.
I think every 18 months or so, this subject comes up. And, we pretty much say the same things.
Although, you do learn, or remember, things.
I never realized the hanging tree went back to the early sixties.
Class70....a question. Was the 2nd half, for both teams, a good example of "reverting to the mean", rather than anything else?
Or should i leave that analysis alone?
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Post by class70 on Jan 18, 2017 20:56:48 GMT -5
We could say it was mean reversion in the second half, Hermit, but whatever it was that first half was a real statistical outlier despite the letdown, mean reversion, or whatever we call it in the second half. We forget sometimes that basketball is a game of runs. We had nice runs against Richmond and Dayton too. Long ago I worked on a government project that employed an early version of artificial intelligence, something my counterpart had used in his work in missile technology. I think about that when I hear people wanting to make linear projections like "Well, we outscored them by 31 in the first half so we should win this thing by 62." The other team, however, is adaptable and subject to the same physical ebb and flow that may adversely affect us while it boosts them. So many great doctoral dissertation topics available for future scholars!
All in all, the last two games are very encouraging. Bonnies have only lost two conference games so far. So much good basketball lies ahead.
On that other topic of the Bonnies nickname, I too remember Don McLean always referring to the team as the Bonnies. In my hometown newspapers in Utica-Rome, "Bonnies" or "St. Bona" or "St. Bonaventure" was frequently used by headline writers and I don't honestly remember ever hearing the Brown Indians moniker before my freshman year despite having three older brothers enrolled.
Irrelevant Note: As I'm sure will be commented upon elsewhere, Fordham just upset VCU. Now that's a stochastic disturbance!
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Post by sbu79 on Jan 19, 2017 10:17:10 GMT -5
Thank you! And i considered maybe it was from Rochester, but there wasn't anyone in the stands, and the court up in Rochester has different colors too, none of which i saw, it looked identical to the St. Louis court.. I noticed that as well. I said to "myself isn't that against the rules?" Because it was obviously SLU's home court. The TV had that stupid looking blue billikens logo at half court. Seems like Ford took a page out of Belicheats playbook. Does anyone know if it is a rule violation to tape your opponents practice? If so...what are possible punishments? Seems kinda shady. When St. Louis was the team for homecoming weekend a few years ago, they were on campus for a couple days before the actual game due to logistics. I was able to freely walk into the RC while they were practicing, and no one said a word. On the other hand, I recall Ian saying in his book about our the last season with JvBK that our staff would spy on visiting teams through the Hall of Fame suites, so that makes it sound like it is not expected. |
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Post by pbd76 on Jan 19, 2017 10:50:42 GMT -5
Has anyone posted about when they showed St. Louis, during practice watching the "tape" of Bona's on the flat screen, and that the court on the screen was blue and appeared to be St. Louis's court?. I mean i saw it, my old man recognized it, and so did a couple old friends from Bonaventure. It looked like practice film from either our walk through, or just our practice there from that day or night before (whenever we got to practice on the court). I'm not trying to make accusations, I'm just relaying what it looked like, and wanted to see if anyone else noticed it?! Obviously it didn't help them much if it was.. If Ford was showing his players a video of our shoot-around (the announcers said as much), and if that is illegal, why would he let the broadcast crew film him showing it to his players? Wouldn't he have the tape and monitor in the locker room? |
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Jan 19, 2017 12:25:01 GMT -5
Has anyone posted about when they showed St. Louis, during practice watching the "tape" of Bona's on the flat screen, and that the court on the screen was blue and appeared to be St. Louis's court?. I mean i saw it, my old man recognized it, and so did a couple old friends from Bonaventure. It looked like practice film from either our walk through, or just our practice there from that day or night before (whenever we got to practice on the court). I'm not trying to make accusations, I'm just relaying what it looked like, and wanted to see if anyone else noticed it?! Obviously it didn't help them much if it was.. If Ford was showing his players a video of our shoot-around (the announcers said as much), and if that is illegal, why would he let the broadcast crew film him showing it to his players? Wouldn't he have the tape and monitor in the locker room? I don't know why Ford would of let the broadcast crew film him showing it to his players, unless he didn't know about it? And like i said, i wasn't making accusations, i was curious. But even taping a "shoot around" seems like a breach of privacy, and why would Coach Schmidt allow that? I wouldn't. Just seems like a whole 'lotta stupidity going around from Ford down to the broadcasting crew.. |
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Post by maplehurst on Jan 19, 2017 12:35:29 GMT -5
Did Coach Ford meet Bill Billichik during his coaching days at UMass? Maybe Billichick gave him some tips on scouting.
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