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Post by skeller6 on Jul 5, 2023 8:15:49 GMT -5
So you are saying qual opportunity is catholic teaching? Catholic doctrine as laid out in the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church does not allow for racial discrimination, or racial quotes, which are inherently discriminatory. All races are equal in the eyes of our Lord. Hiring someone or admitting someone because of skin color is just plain wrong. Every person should be judged on the his or her skills, resume, test scores whatever, but not by your race. The SCOTUS has clearly ruled that race based admissions or hiring is illegal and unconstitutional. Its a solid, consistent ruling. Our SBU President appears to be have not received the message.......................................stop the political race game.
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Post by BONA82.5 on Jul 5, 2023 9:32:53 GMT -5
Well stated skeller6. "Best and Brightest" should always be the end goal. Colorblind college application (No box for "race"). The path of achievement thru hard work and dedication is in our DNA as Americans - not entitlement. It is our job as parents to instill those values in our children.
Wealth and success can not be legislated.
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Post by NILsucks on Jul 5, 2023 11:59:49 GMT -5
You guys are making too much sense. Therefore, you must be wrong. From that puppet in the White House and his sheep it's DEI or bust. Yes, diversity, equity, inclusion. "Best and Brightest" has nothing to do with it. Fear not, he is uniting our country.
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Post by towniegrad on Jul 5, 2023 14:54:05 GMT -5
Currently bona is about 75% white, wit more than 50% of students male.
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Post by fan81 on Jul 5, 2023 19:12:39 GMT -5
"Wealth and success can not be legislated"? Of course they can be. They have been for some 400 years in this country. There are always built in inequities that will favor those with money and influence.
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Post by thesocalkid on Jul 6, 2023 6:17:04 GMT -5
Last time I woke up it was July of 2023
THE END
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Post by fan81 on Jul 6, 2023 7:54:57 GMT -5
Thesocalkid, do you really believe that class and race have no effect on opportunity?
For the record, I already knew as a teen that I would have to be "better than." So with top 1 percentile SATs (before we knew there were prep classes or that you could take them more than once), a Regents scholarship and the ability to contribute to one of Bona's D-3 teams, I received a scholarship that made up the difference between Bona and SUNY schools (at least for my freshman year). I always felt I had to work harder than anyone else.
I already knew that my parents didn't have the money to contribute what the student aid forms said their share should be, so I was fortunate enough to find a summer factory job where I could work 60 to 70 hours a week. I came up with money for tuition by the start of August, but the dorms were full so I rented a room above the Village Inn for my first 6 weeks of college; then I moved to a room in Olean and hitchhiked to campus when I couldn't stand sharing the bathroom with the drunk who kept retching there.
One of the great things about Bona in the late 1970s was that it was a real mixing bowl. A lot of my friends, like me, were first generation university students. I was the first in my family to go for a four-year degree. But our friends also included many upper class and occasionally rich students. It was an opportunity to learn how to operate in a different environment than we grew up in. I still haven't quite mastered the blazer-and-tie look that private school kids seemed so comfortable with.
So I'm all for leveling the playing field. It worked for me. People by nature will take care of their own and exclude others. That's why programs that encourage diversity within universities and workplaces are so important to counteract that.
It's always amazed me that we get as many black basketball players as we do. They're on their own island at Bona culturally, but the draw of being able to play high-level hoops and dedicate themselves to the game brings them to Olean. I respect the heck out of that.
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Post by towniegrad on Jul 6, 2023 10:00:50 GMT -5
Cooper ,dresser... gone now.
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Post by Sipowicz on Jul 6, 2023 10:16:07 GMT -5
Cooper was taken over by Eaton and still does business at 1648 Dugan Road, Olean, NY.
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Post by towniegrad on Jul 6, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -5
Yes....don’t think it a major employer now?
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Post by Sipowicz on Jul 6, 2023 13:05:38 GMT -5
You’re right, nowhere near the 500 employees back in the 1980s, probably just below 100 now. Funny story, about 8 years ago transferred their largest production department to Mexico to a brand new industrial park, but even offering employees free lunches there, could not get enough employees to work at their new facility, eventually bringing this department back to Olean.
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Post by thesenator on Jul 7, 2023 9:05:24 GMT -5
Thesocalkid, do you really believe that class and race have no effect on opportunity? For the record, I already knew as a teen that I would have to be "better than." So with top 1 percentile SATs (before we knew there were prep classes or that you could take them more than once), a Regents scholarship and the ability to contribute to one of Bona's D-3 teams, I received a scholarship that made up the difference between Bona and SUNY schools (at least for my freshman year). I always felt I had to work harder than anyone else. I already knew that my parents didn't have the money to contribute what the student aid forms said their share should be, so I was fortunate enough to find a summer factory job where I could work 60 to 70 hours a week. I came up with money for tuition by the start of August, but the dorms were full so I rented a room above the Village Inn for my first 6 weeks of college; then I moved to a room in Olean and hitchhiked to campus when I couldn't stand sharing the bathroom with the drunk who kept retching there. One of the great things about Bona in the late 1970s was that it was a real mixing bowl. A lot of my friends, like me, were first generation university students. I was the first in my family to go for a four-year degree. But our friends also included many upper class and occasionally rich students. It was an opportunity to learn how to operate in a different environment than we grew up in. I still haven't quite mastered the blazer-and-tie look that private school kids seemed so comfortable with. So I'm all for leveling the playing field. It worked for me. People by nature will take care of their own and exclude others. That's why programs that encourage diversity within universities and workplaces are so important to counteract that. It's always amazed me that we get as many black basketball players as we do. They're on their own island at Bona culturally, but the draw of being able to play high-level hoops and dedicate themselves to the game brings them to Olean. I respect the heck out of that. Good post fan81 (and welcome aboard)…as the grandson of poor Italian immigrants and the first in my family to get a chance at a college education, I am all for giving every kid who wants a chance and is willing to work hard the opportunity to do so…and there’s no better place (I think) than to get that chance than at a school run by the Franciscans whose existence has always been based on serving those in need…
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