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Post by clubhouse on Aug 8, 2007 7:41:34 GMT -5
The same people who advocate adding additional athletic teams to SBU are the ones against SUNY schools funding their athletic programs. What about your local tax dollars that fund the local school systems. You paid for their primary education, wouldn't you like to see utilize that education within the state? What good is it to pay all that money for their education if they decide to go out-of-state for college? Sure they could go to SBU and remain in the state but they can get just as good of an education, IF NOT BETTER, by going to a state school at a fraction of the cost. Sounds like the smart thing to do.
UB or Binghamton make the big dance, that's more money for the SUNY system. Why would they put all their eggs in one basket? Fund athletics across all the schools to increase enrollment and make SUNY an attractive alternative to inefficiently run private school system.
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Post by mwibh23 on Aug 8, 2007 7:50:29 GMT -5
Clubhouse I would have to say that is a somewhat flawed statement.
"You paid for their primary education, wouldn't you like to see utilize that education within the state? What good is it to pay all that money for their education if they decide to go out-of-state for college?"
Ok, now that you have paid for someones entire education what happens when that same person that has used SUNY schools to get their degree, now immediately moves out of state for a job and to start a family (which I would say roughly 50% of the students have been doing). Now what?? Does New York feel good about the ROI??
Maybe SUNY Schools should have a disclosure in a "student contract" that upon graduation they must live and work in the state of NY for at least 3 years or they pay part of the state funding back. Thoughts???
I actually think this is a ridiculous idea when broken down, but thought it might start some discussion.
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Aug 8, 2007 9:10:40 GMT -5
Well I was in the Bon ton today and I don't know why ,but they are selling a raft of U. B. shirts... I think the science building on sbu's campus is courtesty of a federal earmark from a congressman Walsh who is a sbu grad... the Nasa grant is for another program I think. also Congressman Kuhl just got another grant for sbu . I think that one is to equip the new science building Sbu has its hand out and pockets filled with quite a bit of non tuition funded federal money : rotc, pell grants, subsidized student loans . I think the public suny schools do a great jpb for the whole state and no one should be jealous . If any bona kid can meet the admissions standards he can go there. I kind of like the old fashioned dirt fields .Johnny Unitas used them. Yeah, I have a comment. Um.........What?!?!?! |
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Post by sburizz on Aug 8, 2007 9:12:20 GMT -5
First off, the money from UB or Binghamton making the tournament does not go back into the SUNY system, part goes to the conference the rest stays with the school. You also make the stupidest statement when you say that the private school system is inefficently run. SUNY schools are heavily subsidized by the state to keep tuition low. If they weren't then they would have the highest tuition in the country. It equals about $40K of subsidy per student and they have to pay roughly $10K in tuition making total per student cost $50K higher than all of the Ivy league schools. The fact that the state uses tax dollars to subsidize a few colleges is ridiculous because it puts private institutions at a disadvantage. Imagine if the government subsidized a store like Walmart and sold the same products at low prices because they are subsidized. It would put virtually every other store out of business. Instead of having a hugely inefficent SUNY system why not offer the $40K per year that is subsidized by the state to any NY student that chooses to go to college in NY? Give people some choice. It sucks paying among the highest taxes in the US so SUNY Buffalo can have a crappy football team. Now lets get back to talking about the Bonnies season.
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Post by clubhouse on Aug 8, 2007 9:33:44 GMT -5
It equals about $40K of subsidy per student and they have to pay roughly $10K in tuition making total per student cost $50K higher than all of the Ivy league schools.... Imagine if the government subsidized a store like Walmart and sold the same products at low prices because they are subsidized. It would put virtually every other store out of business. Instead of having a hugely inefficent SUNY system why not offer the $40K per year that is subsidized by the state to any NY student that chooses to go to college in NY? Give people some choice. It sucks paying among the highest taxes in the US so SUNY Buffalo can have a crappy football team. Now lets get back to talking about the Bonnies season. Without the subsidy SUNY schools would be 50k higher than Ivy schools? Now that is the stupidest comment. What about the millions of students that would go to SBU if they had a football team. Good or bad, UB's football team helps draw perspective students, which brings in more dollars. The people do have a choice. Go to a state school and pay a little or go to a private school and pay a lot. Clearly the answer to the high taxes in NYS is to cut UBs football team. According to your comment, you believe that is why you are paying so much. |
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Post by sburizz on Aug 8, 2007 9:58:34 GMT -5
My bad I meant to put in a comma meaning that $50K per student is higher than Ivy League schools not it is $50K higher than the Ivy League. I don't really think that UB's football team draws that many students after all it is the worst team in the nation. I also don't think getting a football team at SBU would increase enrollment that much but the biggest difference is that UB is a scholarship football program. UB's football team is a financial drain on the university and the SUNY system. Did I say that high taxes in NYS is due soley to UB's football team? Don't oversimplify what I said. You know that it is careless spending that leads to our higher taxes. If you really want UB to have a football program donate money to them but don't take it out of my taxes.
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Post by clubber on Aug 8, 2007 10:19:29 GMT -5
rizz,
Over 1 million males play high school football.
Around 150,000 to 180,000 play football within a 350 mile radius of SBU.
Around 45,000 HS students play football in the metro NY,NJ,Conn area alone.
Do you think the coffee house will get us into that market of potential students? NO! Football will !! That is why schools put money into athletics, marketing,marketing,marketing!
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Post by sburizz on Aug 8, 2007 10:34:20 GMT -5
Are you for football at Sbu or against it? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not.
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Post by Roger Dorn on Aug 8, 2007 11:22:28 GMT -5
Why don't we wait for the current students to say something about football. If the current campus climate is one that wants football, I would assume there would be one or two proactive students who would bring it to the SGA.
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Post by lebonas on Aug 8, 2007 11:58:05 GMT -5
smell ya coach z
smell ya "key player" maryland will get used to her not passing
still a very solid team, low on numbers though
interesting to see how soon a coach is obtained
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Post by spils84 on Aug 8, 2007 12:12:18 GMT -5
Are you for football at Sbu or against it? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not. I am certain that Clubber is in favor of football, and I am in favor of school vouchers. |
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Post by oldschool on Aug 8, 2007 15:39:14 GMT -5
Almost anyone who has spent more than a weekend for a fraternity party on a SUNY campus knows for certain that these schools are not efficiently run. The levels of bureaucracy are dizzying and responsiveness to student needs at most of these schools is lethargic at best.
The SUNY system was designed to allow access to the state's masses, and especially to produce teachers. When SUNY Geneseo tipped this idea on its ear and starting making itself an exclusive school in the eyes of families by doing nothing more than rejecting more students (no changes to faculty, programs, facilities - just more rejections), the race was on for the other SUNYs to do the same thing. The result has been at least five of the state schools having a much higher average SAT score than they used to, and the false perception that these schools are somehow "better" than the Bonnies, Canisiuses and Niagaras of the world.
Their educational product can never compare to schools like ours, which enjoy great heritage and intense emotional bonds among students, faculty and alumns, but... When you can go to an "exclusive" school in the SUNY system and still have money left over for your place in the Hamptons, why cut corners to go to a Catholic school that receives no subsidies and cannot compete financially with those that do?
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Post by clubhouse on Aug 8, 2007 16:03:08 GMT -5
Very fitting press release: www.buffalo.edu/news/8782Enough of the woe is me attitude. Do you really think UB's educational product can't compare with SBU? I'll all for SBU but keep it in perspective. We aren't some elite Ivy school tucked away in the Enchanted Mountains. |
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Post by b4life on Aug 8, 2007 16:22:30 GMT -5
Anytime I talked to players about Coach Z they didn't have too many good things to say about him. He did put up some good numbers but i heard he was an extremely negative person and often talked down to his players.
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Post by towniegrad on Aug 8, 2007 20:55:01 GMT -5
Many of the top local students go to geneseo,and are very satisfied with the experience.It is extremely competitive. Of course it is d-3 in athletics. Most are looking for a top flight school at a affordable price. as far as sbu goes ...everyone seems to agree that there is no place like bonas.It is small catholic homogenous and expensive. It has d-1 sports.
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