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Post by FriendsofAN44 on Feb 10, 2006 12:28:46 GMT -5
The more I look at this, the more sense it seems to make. Biggest school is 5,000, several Catholic, Jesuit schools, travel expenses would be greatly reduced, many schools in the NYC area for those alums down there to attend games, restore traditional home and home rivalries with Canisius and Niagara (if we are in the same division). www.maacsports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=39&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=1794&change_well_id=2If the MAAC added 2 teams they would have 12 for basketball and could split into 2 6-team divisions; makes for a perfect 16-game schedule. Gotta agree with Rip here, financially we are in way over our head in the A-10. The MAAC makes much more sense. Something to be considered in the next few years anyway. We are only attracting low-major recruits at best anyway, and I don't see things getting much better in the near future. I would rather see us competitive in the MAAC, instead of constantly the doormat of the A-10.
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Post by beefs on Feb 10, 2006 12:31:22 GMT -5
The end is near. This had to be written by an imposter. SAY IT AIN'T SO!
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Post by jim62 on Feb 10, 2006 12:53:37 GMT -5
Fox:
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
It's time to stop wasting money and heartache for the fans/alums. The MAAC is more our size and competition.
Have thought that for a while but it's becoming even more apparent.
Thanks for saying it.
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Post by sburizz on Feb 10, 2006 12:57:05 GMT -5
I've gotta disagree with you guys, you are saying this after three bad years. After three good years you weren't saying "Lets move up to the Big East" While its true that the MAAC is a better fit for us, it would be disasterous for us. We would be bottom of the barrel recruiting, all MAAC schools are in better locations. Being in the A10 differentiates us. Don't sell the farm yet. Things aren't looking good but they will turn around. They have to.
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Post by Bona84 on Feb 10, 2006 13:10:44 GMT -5
I too must disagree. If the scandal had not hit, we would not be "constantly the doormat." And, we weren't the doormat. I am as disappointed as others with the win-loss record, but a move to the MAAC would not be good. Being in the A10 does differentiate us - and is good for the school as a whole.
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Post by u518370 on Feb 10, 2006 13:15:45 GMT -5
FOX- I share your frustration with the current situation and on the surface it sure does seem that the MAAC is a better fit for SBU. That said, I share SBURIZZ's concern about recruiting. The disagvantage that SBU's location presents in recruiting is somewhat offset by being able to offer A-10 play. If we loss that "hook" I'm not sure that we can recruit favorably aganist many of the MAAC schools. On the other hand, it is pretty apparent that the a-10 isn't what it used to be. The leauge might only get GW in the NCAA's this season. At most, they'll get 2 bids(with either Charlotte, Xavier or Temple joining GW). If that is going to become the "norm" then the MAAC looks a lot more attractive. I can see both sides of the issue, but this question should pretty much answer itself over the course of the next couple of years...
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Post by ceharv on Feb 10, 2006 13:22:24 GMT -5
Fox - I try to ignore most of the posts in years like this - but not yours - say it ain't so - say it's just frustration talking. Remember Duquesne's move to the MAAC? (altho maybe they should have stayed). It brought down the whole school's esteem - I know something like that shouldn't have that effect, but it does. And don't think that by moving down, we'd stay at the same recruiting level and dominate - it doesn't work like that. The last time this talk came up was right before we made the NCAA's. We were on track then, but we got sloppy where it counts the most and deservedly got smacked. We can get back to that level. Patience - remember JR's shot in the Temple game - taking #1 UMass to the edge - spanking UConn up there - beating Michigan - beating Pitt down here - Capers hitting all 3 foul shots - we can get back there. The A-10 gives us a shot at the big-time. The MAAC is nowhere.
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Post by BEAR on Feb 10, 2006 13:43:07 GMT -5
I am not ready to give up on the A-10, but we would have one huge recruiting advantage over other MAAC schools, the Rielly Center! Granted the last two seasons is not a good example, but no where else in the MAAC do they come close to the environment of a rocking RC! Once we start winning a few games the fans and the atmosphere will come back, this has always been the biggest recruiting tool Bona's has had in my opinion. If we do make a coaching change it will at least temporarily rejuvenate the fan base, and if we don't that means Sol has turned things around and the fans will come back. In either case scenario I can't envision the RC like it was last night in 2 years. The great thing about us Bona fans is we don't need 20 win seasons to get excited, give most of us a decent effort and a 12 plus win season and the RC will rock again. There are advantages with us in the MAAC but I would like a couple of more years in the A-10 to see if we can be competitive again, especially if there is a coaching change.
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Post by rashaanpalmer on Feb 10, 2006 14:04:19 GMT -5
Fox, I agree with most of your posts, but to this one, I totally disagree with. We have had three tough seasons under a coach that is way in over his head. We are an A10 program, flat and simple. We have not only been competitive in the A10, but successful before the scandal hit. We are still a recruiting draw (AJ Hawkins, McDonalds All-American nominee, Tyler Relph, Mr Basketball for NY, and Paul Williams, a top 60 recruit out of high school) and have the talent to be competitive. The Reilly Center still receives recognition for being one of the toughest places to play in the country, even though the students that show up to the games have not been vocal and so far are disappointing this year in terms of participation. A move to the MAAC would not only worsen our recruiting and the level of basketball played in this area, but it would also have an effect on enrollment, as A10 basketball is a draw to incoming students. There is a solution to fixing our whole sports department, not just basketball. 1) Get rid of Ron Zweirlen. He does not seem to be qualified for this job. Ever wonder why he got demoted at Bowling Green? 2) Find a coach who has been a successful head coach, someone like John Gianinni, whom we should have hired. We need to look at a coach from a smaller school who has enjoyed success, and can teach the game of basketball. We are an A10 program, and have enjoyed many postseason appearances while in the A10. DO NOT let 3 bad season bring your hopes for success again down. Our program has a proud tradition, and a move to the MAAC would hurt our prestige.
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Post by ncbonnie on Feb 10, 2006 14:06:22 GMT -5
No way, don't even talk about MAAC. What are you people nuts, that is terrible talk. We will be back! You haters that would want to watch MAAC bball should of gone to a MAAC school.
"Wasting money and breaking our hearts", what this hell is that? You are lucky to be able to go games in the RC on a regular basis. Real Bonnies believe always, even if we are 0-10 in the league, that just means Richmond is going down on Sunday! A big win vs Rider is going to make you happy? You people are crazy saying that!
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Post by bonnieball on Feb 10, 2006 14:13:59 GMT -5
Going to the MAAC would be the equivalent of exiting DIV I sports.
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Post by jim62 on Feb 10, 2006 14:38:40 GMT -5
To me it's becoming one of "keeping up with the Jones'."
Sure, I like to see us in the A-10. I like the caliber of the teams in the conference. I like seeing us play against the best.
BUT, I'm also a realist.
We are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to recruiting due in large part to location. Those of us that spent 4 years there know it's not true but to an "outsider" it's a big problem.
The cost of getting a team to and from events in the A-10 due to the geographical coverage has got to be tremendous.
I know the Bonas bank account is not overflowing and that local companies are not coming to us to ask for loans.
Maybe it's time to stop dumping money down a rat-hole by trying to maintain a presence in the A-10 and just step down to the next level. One that we can compete in and afford.
When we get some support under our feet and are ready and financially able to move up again, I'm sure we would be welcomed.
I know it isn't a popular idea but it makes sense and cents to me.
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Post by MIKE MACALUSO on Feb 10, 2006 14:51:34 GMT -5
as much as the maac makes cents and sense...stepping out of the a10 would make st bonnie like canisius, niagara or even houghton. what would sbu offer to prospective students ? sports are not everything, but to a college student to be, they certainly add cache. pick up a copy of the latest us news and world report on college admissions..a sub title labels schools as most selective, more selective, selective, not so selective, etc...sbu is already letting kids in with a sat score at the lower end, of 850--the acceptance rate of applicants is very very high also. guys and gals who were at sbu in the 50s/60s/70s/80s remember the school as one thing..those who attended the school during the baron years know it as another [good] thing..the decarli, chapman and sol years are endless holes of disappointment...the mistake was made bringing in ADs and Coaches who have no idea of what st bonnie is about or means to the folks who have spent 4-5 years in the enchanted mts. it is a statistical fact that hoops notoriety [of the good kind] raises the profile of the school and increases the # of applicants. this is true for the # of quality applications also. as for the folks in town..it sure wouldnt be fun to spend a saturday afternoon in jan/feb getting psyched to watch a manhattan college/sbu game, would it ? personally, to watch X, temple, joes, umass, st louis is a lot more appealing than watching the brown indians square off against thiel in non conf action !
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Post by O2level on Feb 10, 2006 14:54:47 GMT -5
FOX - I'm stunned! I... I... um... You are the heart of the bandwagon! It cannot exist without a heart..........
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Post by bulldogbrower on Feb 10, 2006 15:07:27 GMT -5
Our A 10 affiliation is the reason we get some of the talent we occassionally get, that we WILL NOT get if we dilute our situation.
To me anyways, it is exciting having ranked teams coming in here (RC) occassionally. That wont happen in the MAAC. We are very fortunate to be in a league with prestige. It is ludicrous to think we downsize... right our ship... and they will take us back. That is absurd!
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