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Post by firstdev on Jul 11, 2014 8:24:07 GMT -5
Law schools are viable and generate very good revenue streams for universities. A Bonas Catholic Law School would be an attraction for undergraduates who would like to continue their graduate study at SBU (ask any Bona graduate is they really want to view the valley?). There is nothing third tier about studying law in a Catholic setting, and use of that term - third tier - is insulting to this university and this community. Again this option was considered at SBU thirty years ago, but never implemented, although it had considerable support from the Board of Trustees. There are no Catholic Law Schools within upstate New York, none. I understand that business majors sometimes have many cautions about the law and its study because of perceived ideas about the law shackling their business decisions and imposing regulations on the business world (see the effects of de-regulation i.e.: the Wall Street financial collapse of 2008). Law graduates today do not only practice law in private settings but they also make careers in law enforcement (several officers on my home town police force are attorneys), education, federal service, military service, etc, etc. There are many non traditional vocations for those with graduate law degrees, and most importantly it is still a degree in demand from potential students. Not every one wants to sell short in Manhattan.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 11, 2014 8:25:51 GMT -5
Sorry for the typo, it should be "do they really want to leave the valley?".
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Post by res on Jul 11, 2014 8:34:32 GMT -5
Cognitive dissonance at its most manifest...
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Post by Pinnum on Jul 11, 2014 8:48:47 GMT -5
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Post by route16 on Jul 11, 2014 8:57:03 GMT -5
The hallmarks of a great barrister. Jackie Childs comes to mind.
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Post by sbu79 on Jul 11, 2014 11:56:44 GMT -5
Law schools are viable and generate very good revenue streams for universities. Broad generalization that has little value in a sincere discussion of this topic and our University. A Bonas Catholic Law School would be an attraction for undergraduates who would like to continue their graduate study at SBU (ask any Bona graduate is they really want to view the valley?). On what facts is this assertion based? There is nothing third tier about studying law in a Catholic setting, and use of that term - third tier - is insulting to this university and this community. No one said “studying law in a Catholic setting” is third tier. The use of the term third tier was not the least bit insulting to St. Bonaventure University since the University does not have a law school at present. It was an honest admission of what it takes to be a first or second tier law school compared to the reality of what St. Bonaventure University could achieve in any foreseeable future.
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Post by sbu79 on Jul 11, 2014 12:00:22 GMT -5
The hallmarks of a great barrister. Jackie Childs comes to mind. Not to mention Johnnie Cochran, Robert Kardashian, Alan Dershowitz and F. Lee Bailey.
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Post by res on Jul 11, 2014 12:56:38 GMT -5
If a Bonaventure law school could turn out a few Jackie Chiles, I'd be all for it.
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Post by Bona84 on Jul 13, 2014 9:57:31 GMT -5
Sorry for the typo, it should be "do they really want to leave the valley?". I'm hoping that all of your posts are just typos.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 13, 2014 18:08:46 GMT -5
Blah, Blah, Blah - no one has time for this rubbish.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 13, 2014 18:27:33 GMT -5
So apparently your characterization of an SBU law school as not a first tier, not a second tier, but a third tier effort is a compliment to our outstanding educational community? Preposterous. Nothing Bonas does is third tier - nothing - not our faculty, our student body, our order, our athletics or our community. Retaining the many history, sociology, english and business majors who are or would be interested in the pursuit of a graduate Catholic legal education would be a huge plus for this community. Anything that keeps our alums on campus for further graduate educational opportunities is a positive outcome. Some posters here sound like they have encumbered themselves with some deep seated prejudice against the legal profession - maybe due to a personal exposure to the legal community at some time and place. Time to let it go - law is still a very popular and highly honorable course of study in American universities, just like accounting. Since we in upstate New York lack a Catholic law school this is a natural fit for us (could be very popular for CC and NU grads too). It is well worth pursuing.
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Post by Pinnum on Jul 13, 2014 18:47:21 GMT -5
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Post by firstdev on Jul 14, 2014 7:22:40 GMT -5
And you are a practicing member of the state bar? Yea, give me a break - more pontificating from a non lawyer.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 14, 2014 7:32:18 GMT -5
Ava Maria School of Law is a very fine, traditionally Catholic School of Law. Tier rankings are arbitrary measures of a school. Starting class with a prayer is hardly a bad trait. In fact we often started classes with a prayer at SBU. It builds character. Not a bad model for our law school too.
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Post by Pinnum on Jul 14, 2014 8:04:02 GMT -5
And you are a practicing member of the state bar? Yea, give me a break - more pontificating from a non lawyer. Ava Maria School of Law is a very fine, traditionally Catholic School of Law. Tier rankings are arbitrary measures of a school. Starting class with a prayer is hardly a bad trait. In fact we often started classes with a prayer at SBU. It builds character. Not a bad model for our law school too. You don't have a clue... I would ask SNEAKERS to add to this as well but it is clear your hyperbole will not end... Honestly, I can't tell if you're just trolling or you really hold these convictions and would rather try to be right than help the university you claim to support.
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