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Post by njbonnie08 on Nov 17, 2014 11:49:01 GMT -5
I am really excited to see our guys out on the floor again Wednesday night against Siena. This game is going to be a big test for us as the Saints have a very experienced roster and ended last year on a high note winning the CBI. They played UMass pretty tough before fading late after loosing three key players to fouls. I think this will be a pretty tough game for us to win if we have a first half like we did on Saturday night, but I'm hoping the return of Ndoye and maybe Gathers will provide the team with another shot in the arm. After thinking about the game on Saturday night I wrote down some thoughts about the new guys/jitters and the importance of confidence heading into Wednesday night's game...Check it out below if you've got 2-3 minutes. We'll have our Siena pre game up tomorrow and I'm working to do a Q and A with their fan site guys to gain a real insiders perspective into their team. Go Bonnies. thebonablog.com/2014/11/17/after-further-review-dartmouth/ www.thebonablog.com
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Post by marylandbonnie1 on Nov 17, 2014 12:23:03 GMT -5
Siena plays tonight against Vermont! They could have some tired legs by the 2nd half. Run and Press!
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Post by njbonnie08 on Nov 17, 2014 12:40:09 GMT -5
Anyone heard anything new about Gather's health? I'm getting more and more concerned that he is not going to be 100% this season following his surgery. When I talked to Schmidt at A10 media day he told me he was hopeful but not sure he would be 100% for the opener. Obviously that did not happen. Schmidt said on Media day (Oct. 11th) that was the 6th month mark of his surgery and he was than going to start to practice full-on...Well it's been over a month now, 7th since the operation and he's still not 100%. I've heard/read that those injuries are tricky...hoping he's back sooner than later as the more depth we have the better. www.thebonablog.com
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Post by 5and23 on Nov 17, 2014 13:45:11 GMT -5
With Gathers, if he is not practicing in 5-on-5 situations, then clearly he's not cleared for game action. So the first step would be to get him healthy enough for scrimmaging. Then, at some point down the road (days, weeks?) he would ready for a game. Hard to imagine him going from drills right to live competition, right?
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Post by njbonnie08 on Nov 17, 2014 13:58:01 GMT -5
Yeah if's really not running 5-5 than he isn't close. I'd say once he is playing 5-5 and running full contact in all drills he's a few weeks ago. Crazy that this injury could cost him a month or more of his senior season. That said, I'm not walking into the RC between classes to see them working out so I have no idea what he's doing. www.thebonablog.com
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Post by tastylicks on Nov 17, 2014 14:06:00 GMT -5
could he receive a medical redshirt? or is that something that he wouldn't or shouldn't receive? - - of course that is with the worst case scenario thinking that he will be out for a long time which may not be true
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Post by njbonnie08 on Nov 17, 2014 14:11:06 GMT -5
could he receive a medical redshirt? or is that something that he wouldn't or shouldn't receive? - - of course that is with the worst case scenario thinking that he will be out for a long time which may not be true I'm sure he could receive one yes, I'm thinking he won't be out that long though. This from the intrepid online a while ago............This puts the surgery in mid May and thus roughly 7 months since surgery meaning he's healing a lot slower than they thought. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When Gathers got the MRI at season’s end, the diagnosis was a tear in his right hip labrum and a hip impingement that required arthroscopic surgery. The successful surgery was performed in Gathers’ native California by UCLA physician Dr. Sharon Hame, who Gathers said did a “fantastic job.” “Doctors say the recovery time is 4-6 months but we’ll see how it goes,” he continued. “I’ll be back on the court when my injury is completely healed and I’m back to full strength. That’s my main priority and I’m working very hard to get there now.” www.thebonablog.com
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Post by Pinnum on Nov 17, 2014 14:43:50 GMT -5
A medical redshirt is a sixth year waiver. You have to miss two seasons due to injury to qualify for the waiver. Since he hasn't done so already, he can use a regular redshirt, this season, if they would rather get a full season out of him. However, it often is not a wise use of resources to redshirt an athlete in this situation. By doing so, you have a scholarship tied up that you're not using to benefit the program. If you can get over half a season of quality contribution out of him then it would be wise to play him.
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Post by fjs64 on Nov 17, 2014 14:55:10 GMT -5
A medical redshirt is a sixth year waiver. You have to miss two seasons due to injury to qualify for the waiver. Since he hasn't done so already, he can use a regular redshirt, this season, if they would rather get a full season out of him. However, it often is not a wise use of resources to redshirt an athlete in this situation. By doing so, you have a scholarship tied up that you're not using to benefit the program. If you can get over half a season of quality contribution out of him then it would be wise to play him. There is a "magic" number of games that a person can play and still be given a redshirt.....it happened to Michael Davenport a few years ago. So what happens if Gathers comes back late in the season, can he play some games (in the A10 tournament) and still get the redshirt? And what if he redshirts and then graduates....he is now eligible to transfer and play immediately. All speculation, but my druthers is that he is back at the latest for the Conference games.....
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Post by Pinnum on Nov 17, 2014 15:48:05 GMT -5
The hardship waiver is what you're thinking of... That is when an injury happens in the first half of the season and you haven't competed in more than thirty percent of the season dates. In addition, you can't have already used a redshirt. As a result, they allow you to apply your regular redshirt option to that year. They do require documentation of the injury.
For instance, he could not return, play in a game in the second half of the season, realize he wasn't 100 percent and then decide to redshirt.
Here is an excerpt from the rulebook. You must meet all of these terms.
12.8.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two-year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school; (b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 12.8.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season; (c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations;
12.8.4.3.5 Reinjury in Second Half of Season. A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the first half of the season that concludes with the NCAA championship or who suffers an injury after the first day of classes in his or her senior year of high school, attempts to return to competition during the second half of that season and then is unable to participate further as a result of aggravating the original injury does not qualify for the hardship waiver.
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Post by tastylicks on Nov 17, 2014 16:31:37 GMT -5
A medical redshirt is a sixth year waiver. You have to miss two seasons due to injury to qualify for the waiver. Since he hasn't done so already, he can use a regular redshirt, this season, if they would rather get a full season out of him. However, it often is not a wise use of resources to redshirt an athlete in this situation. By doing so, you have a scholarship tied up that you're not using to benefit the program. If you can get over half a season of quality contribution out of him then it would be wise to play him. There is a "magic" number of games that a person can play and still be given a redshirt.....it happened to Michael Davenport a few years ago. So what happens if Gathers comes back late in the season, can he play some games (in the A10 tournament) and still get the redshirt? And what if he redshirts and then graduates....he is now eligible to transfer and play immediately. All speculation, but my druthers is that he is back at the latest for the Conference games..... I like your thinking haha but I somehow doubt the NCAA would let Schmidt keep him on the "IR" for the season - use him for a potential A 10 Conference title run, and then bring him back the following season under a medical redshirt. There would probably be some folks pretty angry about that haha. I think the Davenport situation only applies if you play a couple games early in the year and then are too hurt to play most of the rest. I think he will be back soon as well though like you say. He might be "Wally Pipped" in the starting lineup- - but he will be a big part of this team in conference play IMO so the injury worries won't be a thought come march.
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Nov 17, 2014 16:53:09 GMT -5
Siena will be tough. They gave UMass all they could handle and the final did not indicate how close the game was.
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Post by fjs64 on Nov 17, 2014 17:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by fjs64 on Nov 17, 2014 17:10:22 GMT -5
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Post by sienatony on Nov 17, 2014 17:20:37 GMT -5
or you can watch it on time warner cable channel 19 in Olean - most of Siena games are broadcast throughout NY state
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