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Post by 5and23 on Aug 25, 2015 11:40:48 GMT -5
If we had won 22 games last year, then I would agree to try and schedule tougher but its not easy for us. I love how people piss and moan about the schedule but also admit its tough for us. What would you do then? We had a weak schedule last year and had a very disappointing showing with it. So the solution is to upgrade? If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. When I say it's difficult to schedule, I'm talking about home or neutral games against decent to good opponents. It is not difficult to schedule road games at quality teams. It's so easy, in fact, that they'd pay us to do it. You're welcome on creating the thread. Happy to help. 10 wins in conference is fine. But it is not great. With 18 A10 games, winning 10 means you've lost 8. All that does is land you in the middle of the pack (and middle-of-the pack A10 teams are not going to have a lot of postseason opportunities without something crazy happening in the conference tourney). Bona's most direct road to the postseason will be cracking the top tier of A10. Not easy, but there it is.
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Post by sbu79 on Aug 25, 2015 11:57:22 GMT -5
The shaming on this board for speaking how you feel in a civil manner is so beyond ridiculous. Most of us are adults. We can't have dialogue without name calling? If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. What?
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Post by kcSBU03 on Aug 25, 2015 12:42:47 GMT -5
If we had won 22 games last year, then I would agree to try and schedule tougher but its not easy for us. I love how people piss and moan about the schedule but also admit its tough for us. What would you do then? We had a weak schedule last year and had a very disappointing showing with it. So the solution is to upgrade? If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. When I say it's difficult to schedule, I'm talking about home or neutral games against decent to good opponents. It is not difficult to schedule road games at quality teams. It's so easy, in fact, that they'd pay us to do it. You're welcome on creating the thread. Happy to help. Our non conference showing was disappointing. We should have gotten through it with 1 loss @pitt.
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 13:04:40 GMT -5
If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. When I say it's difficult to schedule, I'm talking about home or neutral games against decent to good opponents. It is not difficult to schedule road games at quality teams. It's so easy, in fact, that they'd pay us to do it. You're welcome on creating the thread. Happy to help. Our non conference showing was disappointing. We should have gotten through it with 1 loss @pitt. Which would be my exact point on why it's important to schedule tougher. That way when you lose a few that you shouldn't lose, which happens on an annual basis, you have the opportunity to win a few that you shouldn't win.
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Post by localfan on Aug 25, 2015 13:05:42 GMT -5
The shaming on this board for speaking how you feel in a civil manner is so beyond ridiculous. Most of us are adults. We can't have dialogue without name calling? If you call 18 wins (10 in conference) a "very disappointing showing," well I don't think you're really qualified to speak on any kind of schedule. What? If you can find any name calling please let me know. That would be dialogue, albeit strong worded. I didn't say he was a "troll" or a 'dreamer' or anything of that regard. And nice context without quoting his post to me first.
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Post by tastylicks on Aug 25, 2015 13:18:33 GMT -5
Our non conference showing was disappointing. We should have gotten through it with 1 loss @pitt. Which would be my exact point on why it's important to schedule tougher. That way when you lose a few that you shouldn't lose, which happens on an annual basis, you have the opportunity to win a few that you shouldn't win. thats an odd argument. instead of arguing that they should not lose "easy" games they should just schedule harder games and lose them? how about we just work on winning games the actual games first?
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Post by kcSBU03 on Aug 25, 2015 13:27:11 GMT -5
Which would be my exact point on why it's important to schedule tougher. That way when you lose a few that you shouldn't lose, which happens on an annual basis, you have the opportunity to win a few that you shouldn't win. thats an odd argument. instead of arguing that they should not lose "easy" games they should just schedule harder games and lose them? how about we just work on winning games the actual games first? I thought the same thing. Very odd argument. Schedule tougher when you arent taking care of all the teams you should be already? An opportunity is only good if you seize it and we rarely beat those higher level teams on the road.
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Post by tastylicks on Aug 25, 2015 13:55:47 GMT -5
thats an odd argument. instead of arguing that they should not lose "easy" games they should just schedule harder games and lose them? how about we just work on winning games the actual games first? I thought the same thing. Very odd argument. Schedule tougher when you arent taking care of all the teams you should be already? An opportunity is only good if you seize it and we rarely beat those higher level teams on the road. I personally think this schedule is a great mix of opponents designed for where we are. It offers the opportunity for wins without bogging down the RPI, it offers the chance at a marquee win, and the chance at a win against another bubble NCAA team in Hofstra. If the season falls right and they WIN say 10, possibly 9 of them, coupled with finishing top 4 in the A 10 - a win or two at Brooklyn and we're dancing and there's nothing wrong with the schedule. People forget that the A10s strength in itself offers the opportunity for big wins in conference. Even if you lose the Syracuse & Hofstra games and finish 9-2 (don't put those losses in pen btw) you follow that up with 11-7 in conference with a win against a ranked Dayton and a few other top 50 RPI teams... GW, VCU, Davidson.. and you have yourself a quality resume at 20-9 with 4 top 50 RPI wins. Win the Hofstra game and you add a win against another bubble team to that resume. what would be the point of scheduling harder games on the road? so we can feel better about our losses? The selection committee looks at actual victories not "moral victories". If they come out and lay a stinker and lose to a Binghamton or a Niagara or S.C. State, that is absolutely not an indication they need to schedule harder. its means you might not be as good as you thought, or you need to fix why you are losing games like that. I hope we get to the point where our OOC schedule is viewed as "too weak" that means we are running through it. So far in Schmidt's tenure that has never been true.
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Post by thesocalkid on Aug 25, 2015 14:34:28 GMT -5
When you think about it this, is a new team- last years fab four ( Jay, Dion, Denzel and Mr buzzer beater himself Marcus ). and the newbies.
With a new group of guys coming in, I would like to see them develop their game in order to win when the A-10 starts.
Therefore, if we play teams that are not worthy, so be it - get a good practice in and work on plays for when the real season starts.
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Post by thesenator on Aug 25, 2015 15:47:31 GMT -5
i think if we want to ensure ourselves of a post-season tournament bid we have to finish top 4 in the a-10 and win all our non-league games except syracuse...i'm guessing that combination will equal 21 or 22 wins which i think will clinch it...i don't think 20 wins means as much as it did back in the day and if that 20 wins for us means we lost more than 2 non-league games than fuhgitaboutit...do i think we're gonna get an ncaa or nit bid?...no i don't...for starters, i don't think we're gonna go 10-1 or 9-2 in ooc games...i think we're gonna lay one egg, maybe two and wind up 8-3 or maybe even 7-4...and we'll be doing good to match last year's 10 a-10 wins...having said all that, i hope i'm dead wrong...i hope we win 22 games and that we're still playing on st patty's day, st joseph's day and on easter...
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Post by ceharv on Aug 25, 2015 22:38:23 GMT -5
How about we WIN all those games vs. suposedly weak teams and then, if we don't get a bid, complaining about the SOS then. You can't say the absence of a bid is due to scheduling weak teams unless you beat them all and then don't get in. If you do not win all of them, then the sched. isn't really that weak, or we're not as strong as you'd like.
Also localfan, you state with absolute certainty we could have scheduled games vs. power conference teams on the road and gotten paid to do so - who exactly, and what is the source of your info? Without specifics and attribution, it sounds like nothing but pure speculation unless you claim inside knowledge, no matter how much certainty you use in making the claim.
And marylandbonnie, I don't see a .500 at best OOC Sched as hedging your bet - it's doubling down on a bad hand. We need to go .800 at least OOC given the conference we are in. A 13 or 15 win season is getting us nowhere even if we knock off none of the several power conf teams on the sched any given year in your scenario.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Aug 26, 2015 0:10:48 GMT -5
This type of schedule is not new with Schmidt, if we miss a tourney invite it will not be because of our OOC schedule. As stated our best chance is via A-10 finish. Let's worry about getting wins and being relevant/ getting in the tourney on a regular basis before we start getting hung up on a schedule. A schedule which as easy as last years was we did not exactly dominate. I for one like the schedule.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Aug 28, 2015 8:39:24 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with our scheduling. I'd rather have more wins against worse opponents. More wins = more casual fans = more revenue.
There are plenty of perennially strong teams that schedule very weak OOC. Just look towards the center of NY state for an example...
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