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Post by magnusbu on Aug 1, 2006 11:41:43 GMT -5
I had a friend that attended Geneseo at the same time I was at Bonas. She was majoring in Acct. there and I was majoring in Acct. here. The differences in programs are huge. Classes she was taking her Junior year, I had already taken. She had a higher GPA than I did, but who are they kidding when they split up a course over two semesters when we get it done in one here. Also, I don't think anybody in our graduating accounting class had a problem finding a good job. Really it all depends on what you are going to college for. If your going for something business related or journalism, you can't go wrong with Bonas even if their SAT scores are down. I did however enjoy all the frat & serority parties I attended when visiting Geneseo.
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Post by rimRocka44 on Aug 1, 2006 11:44:20 GMT -5
Go to collegeboard.com and search St. Bonaventure, then SATs. This is the official site for SATs. It's where the kids sign up to take the test. To clarify, the numbers you gave were averages per section (Verbal and Math) and not an overall score. Making the median total score 960-1140 for Bonaventure and 1200-1340 for Geneseo. This makes a lot more sense.
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Post by 2nddev on Aug 1, 2006 13:40:38 GMT -5
Sorry Rimrocka, somehow when I edited my post I left out "for both math and verbal". Apologies for the confusion.
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Post by chippie76 on Aug 2, 2006 6:49:37 GMT -5
Magnusbu - How long ago did you graduate. I know it use to be the way you describe - "better program at Bona's but I am not sure that is still the case". I hope so but how long ago is your example from?
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Post by magnusbu on Aug 2, 2006 8:55:09 GMT -5
Freshman year was the year we went to the NCAA tournament. Graduated with my MBA 2 years ago. Yeah I did start to notice a decline in the quality of student over my last 2 years but the quality of education I do not believe changed.
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Post by wolfden on Aug 2, 2006 9:14:21 GMT -5
All of the information posted after my initial comments is interesting and while we all have an undying devotion to our alma maters, my original post concerned strictly tuition. Is is possible for a student (from a middle-class family who isn't eligible for an academic scholarship) to attend Bonas for his/her first two years of college for $6,600? If so, then it does compare to a number of area community colleges. I am speaking strictly tuition, not including room and board, food, misc. fees, etc., as those are probably pretty comparable across the board. At one of our local community colleges, the cost per semester is $1,630. Can Bonas compare with that?
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Post by magnusbu on Aug 2, 2006 12:07:26 GMT -5
Wolfden - Its very tough to compete. I could have spent my first 2 years at JCC for free, but chose to attend Bonas for the full 5 years. Easier for me to get into the 5 year accounting program by starting at Bonas. Prospective local students are offered the Enchanted Mt. scholarship if their high school grades are good enough. Saved me a ton of money. I believe there are several hundred students that receive this scholarship each year. Well after these scholarships it cost me about 7K per year. Most of this was covered with student loans, which you don't have to pay back until you graduate, so I figured I better land a good job. I could have finished college with less debt had I attended a cheaper school, but would that have effected my current employment status. To answer your question though, I think its highly unlikely that an underachieving middle class kid could attend Bonas for what you say.
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Post by magnusbu on Aug 2, 2006 12:12:27 GMT -5
Oh and here's a link to some scholarship info: www.sbu.edu/index.cfm?objectId=6F32F4C9-C09F-25C6-25564E5361F66D4C&print=yesReading through this, its kind of easy for prospective students around the area to receive some sort of scholarship. I would say 30-40% of your graduating HS class would have greater than a 84 average. That would mean they only need to score a 1050 or better on SAT's to receive 12,000 per year. The Enchanted Mt. scholarship I received was only for 8K per year 7 years ago.
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Post by wgt on Aug 2, 2006 20:27:51 GMT -5
Wolfden….no doubt sending a child to a private college is a challenge for most & often out of reach for many when community colleges & state schools are so much cheaper. St Bona is serious about increasing enrollment but lowering tuition to achieve it is unrealistic. No private school does it and as I indicated the average tuition increase is 5.5% a year. Bona's increase is below that average & is one of the least expensive private colleges around. Private colleges have always been & will continue to be far more expensive. Your criticism of the Bona dorms is warranted but as you know that issue is being addressed with a significant expenditure to correct it. I see Bona addressing the enrollment issue on many fronts as has been cited by many on the board. It will take several years to see the effectiveness of SBU’s efforts to increase enrollment to the levels prior to the scandal.
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Post by laxbona on Aug 9, 2006 21:33:23 GMT -5
If SBU takes on mens lacrosse, you will increase enrollment. Believe it or not, you're in a hot bed for men's lax. The pieces of the puzzle are already in place. There is already an SBU men's club lax team. Don't let these great NY players go south anymore. For example look at the kids that Mercyhurst, Fisher, LeMoyne, Cortland, Naz, Herkimer and Onondaga CC have recruited lately. (Hmmm a few National Champ programs there?) These kids and the club kids are capable of a D1 schedule. Draw them to SBU to play D1! If you build it, they will come...........we did.
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Post by sneakers on Aug 10, 2006 8:36:27 GMT -5
If SBU takes on mens lacrosse, you will increase enrollment. Believe it or not, you're in a hot bed for men's lax. The pieces of the puzzle are already in place. There is already an SBU men's club lax team. Don't let these great NY players go south anymore. For example look at the kids that Mercyhurst, Fisher, LeMoyne, Cortland, Naz, Herkimer and Onondaga CC have recruited lately. (Hmmm a few National Champ programs there?) These kids and the club kids are capable of a D1 schedule. Draw them to SBU to play D1! If you build it, they will come........... we did. I have not doubt at all that you are correct. This would be a low cost, no-brainer to help revitalize the school. I'd love to go the football route too, but that might take a little longer and cost a little more. In the meantime, let's get LAX going. There are literally thousands of young men in western NY (not to mention adjacent states) that are looking for a college where they can play LAX. There is no reason that we can't draw lots of them to SBU.
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Post by Eagle on Aug 10, 2006 10:38:25 GMT -5
State schools are less expensive because they cook their books.
The capital infrastructure of the SUNY system is owned by the State, not SUNY; thus the debt is the State's as well, not SUNY, and is honored by an unrelated State appropriation. As a result, the costs associated with the SUNY system represent operational costs only; there is zero debt service on any infrastructure improvements whatsoever. Wouldn’t SBU love that? Need a new dorm? No problem, it is a vote of the legislature. Need a new field house (like Binghamton’s $37 million), no problem….and no debt service. Need an infusion for women’s sports? OK, receive a member item (NY Legislature speak) for $850,000 like UB for “gender equity in sports”.
The requisite DNA of politicians prevents them from playing fair or illuminating. If the debt service for capital assets was added to SUNY’s tuition that cost would rocket past the private schools. One of the popular financial offenses in politics is privatization. Given that mindset, one of the most efficient opportunities would to close the public colleges with all-in costs exceeding $50K per year, per student, and pay full tuition at the private schools for an average around $30K for a huge savings. This will never happen, of course, but until the private schools jettison from CICU and articulate a more sophisticated argument for a level playing field the disparity between public and private school costs will continue to exacerbate and at the expense of the private schools, especially the small private schools like SBU, NU, Canisius that are in eroding demographic areas.
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Post by sony on Aug 10, 2006 11:40:38 GMT -5
FYI - the Fisher LAX coach is a Bonnie Alum!!
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