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Post by sneakers on Aug 2, 2006 22:39:48 GMT -5
I gotta hand it to you, just when I thought this board lost all it's appeal you go back to our favorite game of guessing who people are instead of talking about the topic. Just to recap where we last left off I think we determined that all the B_E_V's are one person, Dem is Sneakers, Finkle is Einhorn, Batman is Bruce Wayne, and Remus is Fro Munga. In all seriousness myself and some of my colleagues were also skeptical of the charity due to it's affiliations with a financially struggeling corporation however I think we are jumping to way too many conclusions here. Couldn't it be the possibility that Tim got traded or something and he no longer represents the team? If it were something negative we would probably know already and not be awaiting a press release? Maybe they traded him for some much needed cash? I am just making some guesses here but he at least deserves not to get bashed here until some facts are known on what did or didn't happen. Keystone Stop making sense! It will only confuse those on the Board that would rather just throw around wild, unfounded accusations! Why would we want to give anyone the benefit of the doubt just because we have no facts available? I for one think Tim must have won the Power Ball and bought a competing franchise so the Silverbacks axed him. That theory has as much fact behind it as any I have read. On a different topic, for what some are calling the "ticket scam", how is it a scam if they say exactly what they are doing in plain English? Maybe most people would not like to participate in this, but I haven't seen any evidence that the team was not planning to do what they promised. It's merely a marketing program that would obviously help the team financially (every professional team has these types of programs) and at the same time help underprivileged children. What is wrong with this as long as information on the program is disclosed and people voluntarily decide whether they want to participate?
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Post by remus on Aug 2, 2006 23:19:13 GMT -5
Maybe it went over your head the last time but the original plea from Marquee Poole claimed that not only was Timmy the General Manager (which he isn't) but also that the team was called the Buffalo Rapids. Maybe I'm being a bit too cynical but I would hope those associated with the organization would not only know who is in charge but at the very least what the name of the team is.
Not to mention Tim created his own personal organization called the Winn Wagon, but your checks should be made out to the Silverbacks, an organization desperately seeking money...oh and don't over look the fact that the Silverbacks provide Winn with his paycheck.
So Sneakers, I'll play your little game this one time, as far fetched as it may be. If Winn had won the Power Ball, why would he abandon the youth he claims to care for so much? I'm sure the current owner of Silverbacks is dying to unload the franchise to any sucker willing to pay money, so obviously Winn wouldn't need to buy another franchise. After all, isn't he about giving back to his local community?
BTW, other professional teams donate their tickets to these type of programs, they don't ask for the public to fund their charitable endeavors, hence the word charitable.
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Post by FriendsofAN44 on Aug 3, 2006 4:03:56 GMT -5
www.buffalosilverbacks.com/Lots of info on the program at the link above Only rumors around town about this incident are that Tim is no longer in the employ of the Buffalo Silverbacks, either as a player or as a front office person. No reasons yet, but the sudden cancellation of his visit definitely threw camp counsellors and the organizer of this clinic, John 'Motor' Anastasia Jr. for a loop. The clinic was still conducted and they sent Modie Cox (former Rhode Island Ram ?) as a replacement, and all went well. Click on the link above and read about the 'Never Quit' program. Also, check out the roster - only 3 players on it, and Tim is still listed. So who knows WHAT is going on. There is a schedule of 'Never Quit' clinics listed on that website too, quite an extensive list right up to the end of August. However, I notice that the Olean clinic is NOT on the list - curious !?! Maybe there was some 'freelancing' going on and the Silverbacks discovered it ? Seems odd that with 46 clinics scheduled all over the Buffalo area, 38 already conducted (I assume Tim must have participated in some/all of those 38), that all of a sudden a different player (Cox) is now the lead spokesman for 'Never Quit'.
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Post by DemBonnies on Aug 3, 2006 6:04:02 GMT -5
It's a has-been league that nobody on this board would care about if they hadn't come here looking for handout. That is until JVBK opens his franchise...the Ellicottville Welders...then you'll be passing the hat for the Kort Kares about Kids Klub looking for businesses to donate money for tickets!!!
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Post by Bona3550 on Aug 3, 2006 7:04:32 GMT -5
That is until JVBK opens his franchise...the Ellicottville Welders...then you'll be passing the hat for the Kort Kares about Kids Klub looking for businesses to donate money for tickets!!! Ding Ding Ding!....We have a winner! ;D
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Post by innerbarry on Aug 3, 2006 7:26:39 GMT -5
Oh, and just for the record, I was the first one to call into question the season ticket scam (thanks, your applause is appreciated). Amazing you can post that and still claim that you are not Fro Munga.
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Post by sneakers on Aug 3, 2006 10:46:57 GMT -5
Oh, and just for the record, I was the first one to call into question the season ticket scam (thanks, your applause is appreciated). Amazing you can post that and still claim that you are not Fro Munga. Innerbarry It is painfully obvious to me as well. Give us a break Remus.
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Post by spils84 on Aug 3, 2006 11:04:01 GMT -5
The speculation about this entire Fro Munga vs. Remus thing was keeping me awake at night, so I decided to have postings from each name sent to FBI Headquarters in Washington to be analyzed. I just received an email from Agent Clarice Starling (be still my heart if that were true) who states that with a certainty of 97.36%, they are the same person. APBs have been posted nationwide.
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Post by sneakers on Aug 3, 2006 11:04:49 GMT -5
BTW, other professional teams donate their tickets to these type of programs, they don't ask for the public to fund their charitable endeavors, hence the word charitable. 2-E-Z Remus, For your information many, many professional teams sell tickets by marketing them to businesses, who buy and then donate them to charity. For example the Boston Red Sox have an area out in center field at Fenway Park where Dunkin Donuts buys a section of seats and donates them to underprivileged kids. These seats are not donated by the Sox to these kids, rather DD pays the Red Sox for them. Also, many other community organizations do this. My company always buys tables for the Boston Pop Christmas concert. The Pops always solicits us to buy extra tickets to donate to children from poor schools or organizations in Boston. We participate as it gives these kids (who are into music) a chance to see something that they normally couldn't afford to see. The Pops do not donate these tickets to the children, rather they sell these tickets to businesses to make money and then the Pops sends them to the children. Is this also unethical? I don't think so as it is disclosed that the Pops keeps the money, nor do I think what the silverbacks is unethical. Just don't do it if you don't want to. I think I have said about as much as I an going to on this topic. It just doesn't seem like you uncovered such a big scam. It is very common and believe it or not there are businesses who like to do this for the children.
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Post by remus on Aug 3, 2006 14:21:57 GMT -5
Sneakers,
Now you are equating a professional baseball team and a professional orchestra with a YMCA level basketball team?
Demand for Sox tickets is completely different than demand for the Rapids/Silverbacks. Last I checked the Sox were sold out for the season. If Dunkin Donuts didn't buy those seats, believe me, somebody else would. Same can't be said for tickets to see the Rapids/Silverbacks/Winn Wagon, etc.
The Rapids/Silverbacks desperately needed to increase ticket sales and they decided to use the plight of the less fortunate as a way to do so. Meanwhile these kids could go to the local playground and see the same quality basketball being played for FREE.
The Rapids/Silverbacks weren't trying to be charitable, rather they were trying anything to generate enough revenue to stay above water.
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Post by steviecsbabygirl on Aug 3, 2006 16:34:56 GMT -5
Remus, the quality of the basketball being played matters little, if it was the INTENT of the Rapids/Silverbacks organization to help kids...that counts the most, I certainly don't know their intent but you seem to, How is that ? How do you know for a fact that they were not trying to be charitable ?
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Post by sneakers on Aug 3, 2006 20:48:14 GMT -5
Sneakers, Now you are equating a professional baseball team and a professional orchestra with a YMCA level basketball team? Demand for Sox tickets is completely different than demand for the Rapids/Silverbacks. Last I checked the Sox were sold out for the season. If Dunkin Donuts didn't buy those seats, believe me, somebody else would. Same can't be said for tickets to see the Rapids/Silverbacks/Winn Wagon, etc. The Rapids/Silverbacks desperately needed to increase ticket sales and they decided to use the plight of the less fortunate as a way to do so. Meanwhile these kids could go to the local playground and see the same quality basketball being played for FREE. The Rapids/Silverbacks weren't trying to be charitable, rather they were trying anything to generate enough revenue to stay above water. Fro, Babygirl is right. The quality of the event doesn't matter. The Sox are only one example of the many teams (both in the big leagues and the minor leagues) as well as many other organizations and cultural institutions that do this. Has it ever occurred to you that the people or businesses that voluntarily choose to purchase these tickets for underprivileged youth do it because they think they are doing some good? Would you rather have these kids attend an organized minor league basketball game (or a "YMCA basketball game" as you call it), or hanging out on their street corner? We buy tickets for underprivileged kids every year for the Pops because it makes us feel good and maybe a kid that attends will be inspired to pursue music more seriously. It's a win for the Pops (they get the money) the children who get to attend and the donors that choose to do it. It's not your money we are talking about anyway. It is the money of people that decide to do this with their eyes wide open.
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Post by remus on Aug 3, 2006 21:43:38 GMT -5
Fro?
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Post by 7th2maple on Aug 3, 2006 22:49:12 GMT -5
yep pretending you don't respond to Fro - that will throw them off the track! in defense of Remus he is NOT Fro - Fro Munga was an entirely different screen name. Just because the same person happens to be at the keyboard - don't confuse both personalities. If he has any more personalities he may start a 3 on 3 basketball league though. But I'm sure he won't ask us to buy tickets for underprivileged kids.
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Post by remus on Aug 3, 2006 23:41:31 GMT -5
Amazing. Throw a few crumbs and the whole flock will follow. Funny how nobody has addressed the fact that Marquee Poole claimed Tim was the GM. Or that he referred to the team as the Rapids. It wasn't until much criticism did Timmy even post on this site, and even then there is still no proof it was really him. Buffalo News even did an editorial on how season ticket sales were way behind expectations and the team may have to fold. That's where the kids come. Who is going to say no to children? Why not exploit the misfortune of others just for the chance to lace em up a few more times. Nevermind the team was failing for a reason, nobody wants to see has-beens play basketball. Were they once talented...sure, but their shelf life expired several years ago. If anybody is interested I'm gonna start selling tickets to watch men's softball at Marcus Park. I'll do anything to help the children.
Timmy claimed they were giving a discount to corporations willing to particpate in the season ticket scam program yet the price was same across the board. Guess they really did need every penny. Oh, and the "life clinics" were a function of Tim's personal program called the Winn Wagon...yet the donations should be made to the Rapids/Silverbacks? Any red flags with that one?
Very interesting that Timmy is so concerned about children yet he fails to show up at the only "Do Your Best, Never Quit" camp in the vicinity of SBU....and with no explanation of his absence. So much for giving back to the community in which you went to college. Anybody give any thought as to why the Rapids/Silverbacks will only say that that a future press release will explain everything. Not to take a leap of faith, or jump to conclusions, but I'm willing to bet the press release won't state that Timmy is no longer with the organization because he has been picked up by an NBA team.
No word from Timmy. No apology. No explanation. No character. No heart. Then again what do you expect from somebody who could never shoot straight to begin with. Not to be called a Wet Blanket anything, but sometimes The Truth Hurts.
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