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Post by efsboca on Apr 23, 2019 6:52:45 GMT -5
The moment someone who decides to smoke blows smoke in or near my face makes it something that is no longer their decision that only impacts them. This is a good decision. Kind of like taking over the healthcare system when it impacts everyone. I don’t smoke but I think it’s a bad decision. |
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Post by fan4ever on Apr 23, 2019 9:55:18 GMT -5
Center for Disease Control states----
As of November 2017, at least 2,082 U.S. colleges and universities had smoke-free policies, twice as many as in 2012. Among these campuses, 1,743 (83.7%) had tobacco-free policies and some specifically prohibited electronic cigarette use (1,658 [79.6%]) and hookah smoking (854 [41.0%]).
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Post by class70 on Apr 24, 2019 8:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by firstdev on Apr 24, 2019 15:23:58 GMT -5
Center for Disease Control states---- Inside campus buildings, not throughout entire campuses. That is just plain unworkable and unenforceable too. Basically an attack on liberty. If pot is the problem then identify that specific problem and craft campuses regulations to ban possession and use on campus. Banning all tobacco and e cigs is not the answer. |
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Post by FormerlyKnownAsSkeller on May 3, 2019 7:57:47 GMT -5
Smokers who think that smoking outdoors doesn't bother other people are just wrong. It's disgusting to walk down a street, sit on a beach, or pass by a "smoking station" and have to breathe that crap in. Starting May 1, Disney banned all smoking in their parks; a decision that made me very happy.
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Post by fjs64 on May 3, 2019 8:19:59 GMT -5
Smokers who think that smoking outdoors doesn't bother other people are just wrong. It's disgusting to walk down a street, sit on a beach, or pass by a "smoking station" and have to breathe that crap in. Starting May 1, Disney banned all smoking in their parks; a decision that made me very happy. I am with you on this one.....I hold my breath when near a person smoking.......such a terrible habit, and I have family who do, and they wish they could break it....now they use JUUL. |
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Post by bona66 on May 3, 2019 8:20:45 GMT -5
As a former smoker and lung cancer survivor, I have to agree. Outdoor smoking is a a offensive and potentially as damaging as smoking indoors. Individual liberties apply as much to non-smokers as they do to smokers.
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Post by firstdev on May 5, 2019 19:39:21 GMT -5
As a former smoker and lung cancer survivor, I have to agree. Outdoor smoking is a a offensive and potentially as damaging as smoking indoors. Individual liberties apply as much to non-smokers as they do to smokers. Never smoked in my life other than a few cigars at Bona stag parties.......but smoking outdoors harms absolutely no one except the smoker....and yes Virginia that is the smoker's individual choice.....its called liberty....and its a cherished part of American democracy.. This ban is just more politically correct non sense. We should not be following colleges and universities which have set up other far left initiatives such as censoring free speech. Time to stop the far left from their nefarious influence on campuses across the land. |
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Post by fan4ever on May 6, 2019 7:05:49 GMT -5
This is no doubt also a preemption against smoking pot on campus when that becomes legal in NY. Then there will probably be a pot-specific campus regulation promulgated as a double whammy. But....as far as cigarettes are concerned...30 years ago when smoking began to be banned inside buildings there was the same hue and cry as the outdoors reg is generating. The fact is that smoking is heavily focused as a serious public health matter (preventable cancer). Besides banning smoking in facilities and on the grounds the price of cigarettes has risen dramatically and some states are increasing the age to purchase cigarettes to 21. There have been attempts to have the FDA regulate cigarettes that will probably succeed post-Trump. That will be their death knell.
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Post by class70 on May 6, 2019 7:37:41 GMT -5
Yes, smoking pot seems to be politically correct nowadays. The smell of that bothers me a lot more than tobacco, and I suppose that future studies might also show that it carries many health risks in addition to the already obvious behavioral issues. I don't care to get the government involved in telling people what they should have the good sense to know, but in fairness I hope to see pot taxes bringing in something close to the $8 billion or so that tobacco brings in yearly. Oh, and don't waste the money. I guess that's expecting the impossible.
Now, for our next crusade against individual liberty, I hope we can ban profanity at Bona games if not the entire campus. Oh, that's right, we don't want to infringe.
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Post by tastylicks on May 6, 2019 8:41:13 GMT -5
As a former smoker and lung cancer survivor, I have to agree. Outdoor smoking is a a offensive and potentially as damaging as smoking indoors. Individual liberties apply as much to non-smokers as they do to smokers. Never smoked in my life other than a few cigars at Bona stag parties.......but smoking outdoors harms absolutely no one except the smoker....and yes Virginia that is the smoker's individual choice.....its called liberty....and its a cherished part of American democracy.. This ban is just more politically correct non sense. We should not be following colleges and universities which have set up other far left initiatives such as censoring free speech. Time to stop the far left from their nefarious influence on campuses across the land. they can't seem to put their butts in a receptacle though. I know "individual liberties" and all grants them the right to throw their butts anywhere they want, but when this rule kicks in, it will be nice to not have the outside of buildings on our beautiful campus littered with thousands of cigarette butts on the ground. I'm sure the hard working crew grounds crew would agree. sorry to interrupt your silly political rant |
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Post by class70 on May 6, 2019 16:25:53 GMT -5
To add a (perhaps) more productive footnote, it's good to be aware of the health hazard of radon. My mother died from lung cancer, but never smoked. Many are unaware that the leading cause of lung cancer in non-smokers is radon, which is present in varying amounts based on the geological properties of the soil. Southwestern NY has a pretty high concentration of it as you can see on the map shown here: www.epa.gov/radon/find-information-about-local-radon-zones-and-state-contact-information#radonmap I once sold a house in upstate NY to a couple of medical doctors who insisted on a radon test. I was surprised to learn that I had been living in a high concentration of it. There are simple home test kits on the market for about $10, and the remedial measures I had to take for my buyers were not terribly expensive-- in the range of $500 or so. I'm guessing that the SBU campus has high levels of radon and no remedial steps have been taken. |
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Post by firstdev on May 6, 2019 17:15:07 GMT -5
Never smoked in my life other than a few cigars at Bona stag parties.......but smoking outdoors harms absolutely no one except the smoker....and yes Virginia that is the smoker's individual choice.....its called liberty....and its a cherished part of American democracy.. This ban is just more politically correct non sense. We should not be following colleges and universities which have set up other far left initiatives such as censoring free speech. Time to stop the far left from their nefarious influence on campuses across the land. they can't seem to put their butts in a receptacle though. I know "individual liberties" and all grants them the right to throw their butts anywhere they want, but when this rule kicks in, it will be nice to not have the outside of buildings on our beautiful campus littered with thousands of cigarette butts on the ground. I'm sure the hard working crew grounds crew would agree. sorry to interrupt your silly political rant Yeah OK gotcha......so cig butts are the major issue on college campuses...really....... and not political correct administrative edicts that infringe on individual liberties.......like college sponsored censorship and conflict free zones.....Ok gotcha.....this type of edict is first step toward repressing a university atmosphere...... |
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Post by tastylicks on May 6, 2019 18:48:51 GMT -5
they can't seem to put their butts in a receptacle though. I know "individual liberties" and all grants them the right to throw their butts anywhere they want, but when this rule kicks in, it will be nice to not have the outside of buildings on our beautiful campus littered with thousands of cigarette butts on the ground. I'm sure the hard working crew grounds crew would agree. sorry to interrupt your silly political rant Yeah OK gotcha......so cig butts are the major issue on college campuses...really....... and not political correct administrative edicts that infringe on individual liberties.......like college sponsored censorship and conflict free zones.....Ok gotcha.....this type of edict is first step toward repressing a university atmosphere...... What is it with people like you?  ? The school makes a perfectly reasonable policy, one that puts them in line with most modern colleges and you want to rant so bad about it. What the hell does a smoking policy have to do with “censoring” or “conflict free zones.” You sound like a babbling idiot! It’s like you want to be outraged so bad about something that isn’t there. It’s super weird |
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Post by firstdev on May 7, 2019 7:05:45 GMT -5
Yeah OK gotcha......so cig butts are the major issue on college campuses...really....... and not political correct administrative edicts that infringe on individual liberties.......like college sponsored censorship and conflict free zones.....Ok gotcha.....this type of edict is first step toward repressing a university atmosphere...... What is it with people like you? ? The school makes a perfectly reasonable policy, one that puts them in line with most modern colleges and you want to rant so bad about it. What the hell does a smoking policy have to do with “censoring” or “conflict free zones.” You sound like a babbling idiot! It’s like you want to be outraged so bad about something that isn’t there. It’s super weird So cig butts are your major issue? Wow.........and getting on to more serious subjects....yes the complete ban on smoking is related to the drive to limit liberty on college campuses. So you do not think that having the campus police arrest students, faculty and staff for smoking cigs in the parking lot is a gross overreach? You need to think carefully about what you preach. Its a short hop from harassing folks in parking lots to limiting their free speech rights, or patting down students for beer possession or searching student rooms for the same (remember those great ideas from the Fort Duquesne crowd or banning politically incorrect Indian head gear - we should never return to those tortured policies). Its all very poorly thought out policy designed to unnecessarily limit liberty.....a very dangerous trend indeed. |
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