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Post by Sipowicz on Mar 28, 2020 11:57:48 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein is reporting A10 Commissioner, BERNADETTE MCGLADE is considering the A10 going to a 20 game conference schedule.ROTHSTEIN quotes MCGLADE:"With the inventory of non-conference games shrinking, we have to consider this."
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Post by fjs64 on Mar 28, 2020 12:11:53 GMT -5
I don’t like it, but may not have a choice, Makes it closer to a balanced schedule, playing 7 teams twice rather than 5 or making it 2 divisions of 7 teams and 12 in conference and 8 crossovers....then the tournament will pit east against west.
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Post by faffy444 on Mar 28, 2020 12:16:42 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein is reporting A10 Commissioner, BERNADETTE MCGLADE is considering the A10 going to a 20 game conference schedule.ROTHSTEIN quotes MCGLADE:"With the inventory of non-conference games shrinking, we have to consider this." sort of makes sense with the inventory of OOC games shrinking. perhaps the NCAA should mandate MORE ooc play! yes, i have lost my mind! |
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Post by jjjacks17 on Mar 28, 2020 12:18:37 GMT -5
If the A10 goes to 20 games will we still be able to play all four of our “rivalry” games and play in the tournaments and other games we have scheduled? Personally I wouldn’t mind dropping the Siena series. Two MAAC games is already too many as it is
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Post by Sipowicz on Mar 28, 2020 12:45:48 GMT -5
Maybe getting a home & away with IONA, like the new coach or not, they will be better.
What about schools in compariable conferences with the same problems? Perennially in the top of their conferences but no P6s anxious to schedule them? Ex- Belmont, Charleston.....
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Post by tomgleason on Mar 28, 2020 13:34:55 GMT -5
I don’t like it, but may not have a choice, Makes it closer to a balanced schedule, playing 7 teams twice rather than 5 or making it 2 divisions of 7 teams and 12 in conference and 8 crossovers....then the tournament will pit east against west. I like the 2 divisions of 7, but 8 crossover games against 7 teams would be tricky...maybe save scheduling the season finale for important seeding matchups? |
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Post by fjs64 on Mar 28, 2020 13:42:45 GMT -5
I don’t like it, but may not have a choice, Makes it closer to a balanced schedule, playing 7 teams twice rather than 5 or making it 2 divisions of 7 teams and 12 in conference and 8 crossovers....then the tournament will pit east against west. I like the 2 divisions of 7, but 8 crossover games against 7 teams would be tricky...maybe save scheduling the season finale for important seeding matchups? On the A10 Board there was a suggestion by AOXOMOXOA to play 19 games in 2 Divisions (12 in Division and 7 out of division) |
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Post by Sipowicz on Mar 28, 2020 13:46:31 GMT -5
Maybe time for the A10 to "Thin The Herd" then add 2 new schools, or just add 2 more schools.
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Post by u518370 on Mar 28, 2020 14:26:16 GMT -5
Unless the NCAA steps up to mandate or incentivize power six conferences to schedule differently, I support anything that helps SBU put together a competitive schedule.
If the A-10 moves to a 20 game schedule, we could easily be looking at a situation where 26 or 27 games are basically locked in each year. This assumes that the A-10 sticks with an annual "challenge" with the MWC (or another mid-major conference), we find a tournament to participate in and we continue with our four traditional rivals (UB, Siena, Canisus & Niagara).
That would leave just four or five games to be added each year.
Hopefully the A10 can do a good job of deciding the home and home opponents each year in a way that optimizes the at large chances of the teams that are expected to be competitive. They should have the flexibility to do the same thing with the A10-MWC games.
Go Bonnies!
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 10:47:43 GMT -5
If the A10 goes to 20 games will we still be able to play all four of our “rivalry” games and play in the tournaments and other games we have scheduled? Personally I wouldn’t mind dropping the Siena series. Two MAAC games is already too many as it is This is the issue, I have. The Siena game is a better game than the Little Three. But the Little Three are historic. The Siena game is a better game because Siena has more fans and they are more of a peer program in that regard. The game is played in a real arena and is in a region that the Bonnies want to play and against another Franciscan school. But with moving to 20 games, there may be some cuts that are needed. And frankly, three Buffalo teams is just too many if that happens. The ideal scenario is to get each of the teams to agree to a three site series. Home/Away/Rochester. This ensures that the Bonnies play one game at home, one in Buffalo, and one in Rochester each year. It is unknown how receptive the schools would be but they all recruit students from Rochester so they do have an incentive to play there. I do believe there can be more creative ways to preserve the rivalries and tradition and making them mutually beneficial but it also requires that the other schools care about playing the Bonnies. And I am not sure how significant that is to them. |
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 10:50:28 GMT -5
I like the 2 divisions of 7, but 8 crossover games against 7 teams would be tricky...maybe save scheduling the season finale for important seeding matchups? On the A10 Board there was a suggestion by AOXOMOXOA to play 19 games in 2 Divisions (12 in Division and 7 out of division) I don't believe any schools will vote to support an odd number of games. All schools want an even number of home and away games. |
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 11:06:41 GMT -5
Maybe getting a home & away with IONA, like the new coach or not, they will be better. No. You don't play four against the MAAC. What about schools in compariable conferences with the same problems? Perennially in the top of their conferences but no P6s anxious to schedule them? Ex- Belmont, Charleston..... Those schools have problems but they don't have as much of a problem as Bonas. The Bonnies are lower on the scheduling totem pole than those schools and as a result won't get those games. This year Charleston hosted home games with Oklahoma State, VCU, and Georgia State. We could not schedule those games. The Bonnies don't offer anything for teams other than a top-100 game. And while we think that is a lot to offer, for many of the teams it isn't as big of a concern because they don't expect to be on the bubble. Most mid-major teams are not going to be looking at an at-large bid. This is the same conversation we had last year about Loyola-Chicago. People said that due to their struggle with scheduling, they would love to play the Bonnies (and people cited their AD as a positive). But we forget that there are other programs with trouble scheduling that can offer even more. The Ramblers did infact schedule two home/home series with A10 teams. Two other programs we think of as peers that also schedule with getting home games against top teams. But playing St. Joe's in Philly, and Davidson near Charlotte offer Loyola a lot more in the way of exposure and helps with recruiting. There is a good chance they have some alumni in those major cities. There are lots of D1 recruits in those cities. That is something that Olean doesn't offer. This is why the Vermont series worked out. Vermont struggles like the Bonnies. They are a program that is remote, with talent and fans, but can't offer anything for visiting programs either. |
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 30, 2020 12:35:38 GMT -5
I don’t like it, but if the alternative is Gannon, then I suppose another home A10 game is a lot better
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Post by towniegrad on Mar 30, 2020 13:28:45 GMT -5
Reading the above,what I’m getting is that traveling to Allegany is a major hangup to scheduling a higher level team for ooc games
If that’s correct why wouldn’t having a couple of extra home games in Buffalo or Rochester be viable?
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 13:33:06 GMT -5
I would expect teams like Dayton to vote against the proposal. This is replacing two home/home games on the schedule. Teams like Dayton and Saint Louis and some others in the A10 get better home/home games OOC than they would get from the additional two games. Dayton did not play a single true road game OOC this year. All their games were at home or neutral.
But the good news is that this will make it even harder for teams in other conferences to get games.
Richmond had home/home series this year with Vanderbilt, Boston College, Alabama, and ODU. They would likely drop ODU in this scenario and possibly one of their buy games.
Rhode Island had home/home series this year with Alabama, Providence, Middle Tennessee, and Brown. Would they drop Brown? I can't see them wanting to give up two buy games. Middle Tennessee is going to be gone.
Saint Louis had home/home series this year with Seton Hall, Auburn, Boston College, and Southern Illinois. They would likely drop Southern Illinois and likely the game against D2 Rockhurst they regularly play.
VCU had home/home series this year with LSU, Wichita State, Charleston, and ODU. Would they drop their rivalry with ODU? Very likely. Charleston would be cut. They want home games and they have the money. They aren't going to give up their buy games.
Saint Joseph's had home/home series with Temple, Villanova, Penn, Old Dominion, and Loyola-Chicago. Does the Big 5 die? It is hard to fathom. But do they want to play so many games in Philly? More than likely Old Dominion gets cut and possibly Loyola-Chicago or a buy game.
Davidson had home/home series with Vanderbilt, Loyola-Chicago, Northeastern, and Charlotte. Does Davidson benefit much from the Charlotte rivalry or it is more in the interest of Charlotte? I could see it getting cut, but maybe I don't understand the importance enough. Northeastern is probably gone.
So... based on this, there would be some teams looking for games. It seems like the program who would take the biggest hit would be Old Dominion. They would have games they would need to fill. Would they simply fill them with buy games? Or would they be willing to do a home/home with a program like Vermont, Charlotte, Valpo, or the Bonnies?
Would these programs that lost out on their A10 series come to the Olean or would they simply pair up to avoid a trip to Olean?
There is no doubt there will be teams that will get big games dropped. But will they be willing to pick up a game in Olean or will they play a home/home with a lesser team in the area (like playing Niagara, Buffalo, and Canisius) because the local games are still in front of fans and keep travel costs down.
We really don't know how much teams will value playing top-100 games or how important the costs and brand of a school is important in scheduling. If simply playing top-100 teams was important, I would think Yale and Harvard would get more home/home games with good programs.
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