u518370
Junior Member
Robert Blackwell will forever be my favorite. Go Bonnies!
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Post by u518370 on Sept 7, 2020 9:43:44 GMT -5
turk182 -
My father passed away when I was 17, and I have seen my share of serious illness throughout my family, so I would respectfully ask that you don't make assumptions. I understand that this is a very serious virus. That said, it is just a virus. IMHO, the response has been disproportionate to the threat. You are correct that we won't know the long-term effects for quite some time, but we can't live in fear for the next ten years while we study those effects. I think it is fair to assume the vast majority of the inflammation reported by PSU is the result of the immune response to the virus and will recede over time.
I just think we have things backwards. We should be allowing the virus to "run its course" while protecting those at risk. As that relates to SBU, we should allow any at risk students to learn remotely and any at risk professors to teach remotely. The approach we (as a society) are taking is prolonging the crisis, devastating the economy, causing a severe spike in mental health issues, having an unknown impact on the long-term emotional well being of our children and turning people against each other.
You may have noticed that despite wildly different approaches across the United States, the list of most positive COVID cases by state has slowly evolved to the point where it looks almost identical to the list of states by population. That tells me that that the virus is going to work it's way through the population regardless of the measures we take. Predictably, the virus has been politicized (by both sides of the spectrum) and common sense is on holiday.
I don't intend to engage in a "back and forth" on this, so this will be my last post on the topic. I just hope that we can respect various opinions and get away from the self-righteous stuff.
Go Bonnies!
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Post by mnbonnie on Sept 7, 2020 11:26:04 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. I've been listening to Michael Osterholm, a recognized expert in public health for years. I became aware of him when we moved to Minnesota almost 40 years ago. He is not a Johnny come lately in the infectious disease area. I too have been noting that the number fo cases has been shrinking nationally, which is a good sign, but the idea of striving for any type of "herd immunity" without a vaccine is just crazy talk. Fauci, who I trust, seems to think that the vaccine maybe here sooner than later and I am in favor of doing everything we can to continue keeping "a lid" on the virus spread until we get a vaccine.
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Post by 78francis302 on Sept 7, 2020 11:54:23 GMT -5
BREAKING: There has been a confirmed case of COVID-19 in the St. Bonaventure University Athletics Department. The number of positive cases is currently unknown, but approximately 320 student athletes were tested last week.
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Post by 78francis302 on Sept 7, 2020 11:55:08 GMT -5
Reporting with @sean_Mickey13 : Per faculty members, members of the SBU men’s basketball team will not attend classes today as they have been potentially exposed to coronavirus. Waiting on official word from athletics.
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Post by 78francis302 on Sept 7, 2020 11:55:33 GMT -5
Reporting with @sean_Mickey13 : Per faculty members, members of the SBU men’s basketball team will not attend classes today as they have been potentially exposed to coronavirus. Waiting on official word from athletics. Uh oh!!!
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turk182
Sophomore Member
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Post by turk182 on Sept 7, 2020 21:17:14 GMT -5
U158370-
I don’t want a back and forth political debate either. I meant that kids who have never experienced a serious health issue are unlikely to take this virus seriously. When you add that some adults equate it to the flu - why should they? I am not an endocrinologist. I bet you aren’t either. I don’t leave it to the politicians. I leave it to the scientists. They are our best guides forward.
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Post by dadster81 on Sept 8, 2020 7:26:05 GMT -5
When I saw Bona's approach to Covid, being in a rural county, and being a small campus, and creating a bubble by not allowing outside visitors, I thought the school has a great shot at staying open. The School has put all of its eggs in one basket, planning on having approximately 90% of its classes in person. Now the Bubble does not work if you dont follow the rules, and there should be consequences. The Students have to realize that thses rules are not permanent, hopefully only a year. If students could not follow the rules, actions have consequences.
Will there be Covid on campus at some point? Absolutely, because employees do have to come and go off campus. But hopefully the exposure will be low. These two situations happening early in the school year (House party, and soneone testing positive) is probably a good thing - reminds everyone that this is not a "Magical Bubble", everyone has to work together, and to follow the guidelines they have been given. And hopefully the cases are mild.
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Post by towniegrad on Sept 8, 2020 11:50:37 GMT -5
About half the senior class lives off campus.They don’t follow any campus restrictions and are on campus daily. There are over 190,000 fatalities nationwide, and over 6,ooo,ooo cases It’s up in the air whether colleges can safely stay open.
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Post by derhut on Sept 8, 2020 12:47:37 GMT -5
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Post by dadster81 on Sept 8, 2020 14:53:15 GMT -5
Keeping our fingers crossed. Need my NFL and BOna Basketball fixes. If you like to see "science" CDC has a wealth of facts and figures. If not, please dont read anymore. Not trying to be political, just putting out some interesting fact. My wife is a specialized nurse works with alot of different viruses, wounds, etc, some of her doctors she works with are infectious disease docs, and she is 99% sure she has been exposed to Covid. So she reads up on this subject all the time, follows alot of different specialized docs on their takes, etc. As she likes to say "I would rather have Covid than Mersa!". www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#ComorbiditiesOne that should give alot of healthy people hope is that only 6% of the national deaths (that means about 10,000) listed Covid was the only cause of death. On average, most people who died had 2.6 Co Morbidity (ie, diabetes, heart disease, etc). That means that on average, they had two or more other health issues So what does that mean? One way of looking at it, is if you are in good health, your chance of dying from this disease are about .2% (6M cases, 10K deaths). Now nobody wants to have Covid, and we do not know what all the potential long term effects could be (but when people bring that up, please understand that the disease has only been around about 6 months, so Nobody knows what the long term effects may be). Now please remember Stats are only as good as the input, and I do think the chance of someone healthy dying from Covid may be higher than .2%, but it is not as horrible as some may lead you to believe. Keep social distancing, wash your hands, and if you dont feel great, dont go out in public(my wife's words of wisdom from her area of practice).
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Post by fansince1960 on Sept 8, 2020 14:54:13 GMT -5
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Post by BONA82.5 on Sept 9, 2020 17:42:35 GMT -5
Keeping our fingers crossed. Need my NFL and BOna Basketball fixes. If you like to see "science" CDC has a wealth of facts and figures. If not, please dont read anymore. Not trying to be political, just putting out some interesting fact. My wife is a specialized nurse works with alot of different viruses, wounds, etc, some of her doctors she works with are infectious disease docs, and she is 99% sure she has been exposed to Covid. So she reads up on this subject all the time, follows alot of different specialized docs on their takes, etc. As she likes to say "I would rather have Covid than Mersa!". www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#ComorbiditiesOne that should give alot of healthy people hope is that only 6% of the national deaths (that means about 10,000) listed Covid was the only cause of death. On average, most people who died had 2.6 Co Morbidity (ie, diabetes, heart disease, etc). That means that on average, they had two or more other health issues So what does that mean? One way of looking at it, is if you are in good health, your chance of dying from this disease are about .2% (6M cases, 10K deaths). Now nobody wants to have Covid, and we do not know what all the potential long term effects could be (but when people bring that up, please understand that the disease has only been around about 6 months, so Nobody knows what the long term effects may be). Now please remember Stats are only as good as the input, and I do think the chance of someone healthy dying from Covid may be higher than .2%, but it is not as horrible as some may lead you to believe. Keep social distancing, wash your hands, and if you dont feel great, dont go out in public(my wife's words of wisdom from her area of practice).
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Post by BONA82.5 on Sept 9, 2020 18:05:22 GMT -5
Thank you DADSTER. Great Input ...
Here's my BEEF from Day 1 of the COVID Shutdown - Think of the Billions of Taxpayer dollars that have been poured into Grants for VIRUS research, etc over the years ... The "Big Pandemic" finally comes along, and the Billion Dollar PLAN from the Medical Community is to Run and Hide and don't come out until we tell you it's safe.
Think about it ...
The sad part is many in the Medical Community do NOT agree with this approach - but they have been silenced by the Mainstream Media ...
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Post by bonas211 on Sept 9, 2020 19:17:17 GMT -5
Thank you DADSTER. Great Input ... Here's my BEEF from Day 1 of the COVID Shutdown - Think of the Billions of Taxpayer dollars that have been poured into Grants for VIRUS research, etc over the years ... The "Big Pandemic" finally comes along, and the Billion Dollar PLAN from the Medical Community is to Run and Hide and don't come out until we tell you it's safe. Think about it ... The sad part is many in the Medical Community do NOT agree with this approach - but they have been silenced by the Mainstream Media ... What would be a better response to a virus? Fighter jets? I also think it’s worth considering how much funding has actually been cut from research and the dismantling of the task force specifically designed for pandemic response.
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Post by sbu79 on Sept 9, 2020 21:17:37 GMT -5
Thank you DADSTER. Great Input ... Here's my BEEF from Day 1 of the COVID Shutdown - Think of the Billions of Taxpayer dollars that have been poured into Grants for VIRUS research, etc over the years ... The "Big Pandemic" finally comes along, and the Billion Dollar PLAN from the Medical Community is to Run and Hide and don't come out until we tell you it's safe. Think about it ... The sad part is many in the Medical Community do NOT agree with this approach - but they have been silenced by the Mainstream Media ... That was not the plan at all. That ended up being the only course of action left after our mendacious president shitcanned the actual plans that had been put in place since the Bush administration and built upon by the Obama administration. Well, the other course of action was to call it all a hoax and tell us to bury bury our heads in the sand, but now we know that was just a big lie (like every other time the word hoax has come from his mouth) because he knew better from the start. I wish/pray more Americans would start to think again.
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