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Post by Cassian on Feb 20, 2021 19:37:56 GMT -5
UMass needs to be pulled out of this - we could play no one too and be on top.
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Post by Dunga on Feb 21, 2021 18:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by Dunga on Feb 21, 2021 18:52:42 GMT -5
Saint Louis NET is 48. St. Bonaventure NET is 45. Why is Saint Louis in 3rd? It seems if a team is ahead in both win percentage and NET (as St. Bonaventure is), that that team should be the higher seed.
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Post by ohs73 on Feb 21, 2021 19:12:17 GMT -5
UMass needs to be pulled out of this - we could play no one too and be on top. Both UMass and SLU should be pulled.
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Post by mjf4428 on Feb 21, 2021 22:29:30 GMT -5
Saint Louis NET is 48. St. Bonaventure NET is 45. Why is Saint Louis in 3rd? It seems if a team is ahead in both win percentage and NET (as St. Bonaventure is), that that team should be the higher seed. I was just thinking the same thing. I'm assuming it's an overlook
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Post by no1stunna on Feb 22, 2021 12:02:07 GMT -5
It's not an overlook.
"Teams below that 60 percent threshold will be seeded using the NCAA NET ranking, relative to all A-10 teams."
Saint Louis has not reached the 60 percent threshold (they should by season's end, but they aren't at the moment). Saint Louis is 3rd in the NET rankings among all teams in the A-10. That's why they are 3rd.
Also, if Saint Louis and St. Bonaventure end up tied in winning percentage at season's end, and both have reached 60 percent, Saint Louis wins the tiebreaker due to head-to-head.
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Post by ohs73 on Feb 22, 2021 12:34:12 GMT -5
You know what's shameful? That Bona gets no chance to face UMass before the A10 tourney, yet the Bonnies faced VCU twice and will face Davidson in consecutive games 8n Wednesday.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it makes me and probably other Bona partisans to wonder...did UMass try to duck us?
The pandemic and the countless pauses wreaked havoc with scheduling across the conference. But hey, UMass is the only foe above Bona that hasn't played them.
Doesn't seem fair, but fairness has been tossed out the window this abbreviated season.
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Post by Sipowicz on Feb 22, 2021 12:41:26 GMT -5
Not to add to your conspiracy theory ohs, but, a poster on the UMass board recently posted, the 3 highest rated teams teams UMass matches up best and the 3 UMass matches up the worst against, and they listed BONA in the worst list and I believe due to the physicality of the BONA guards.
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Post by ohs73 on Feb 22, 2021 12:47:56 GMT -5
Ta-daaaaaaah.
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Post by tastylicks on Feb 22, 2021 13:11:10 GMT -5
You know what's shameful? That Bona gets no chance to face UMass before the A10 tourney, yet the Bonnies faced VCU twice and will face Davidson in consecutive games 8n Wednesday. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it makes me and probably other Bona partisans to wonder...did UMass try to duck us? The pandemic and the countless pauses wreaked havoc with scheduling across the conference. But hey, UMass is the only foe above Bona that hasn't played them. Doesn't seem fair, but fairness has been tossed out the window this abbreviated season. Umass ducked us. They also will end up ducking VCU. We were originally scheduled to play at Umass. That should be Wednesday's game instead of playing Davidson back to back. As we were never supposed to do H/A with Davidson. Scrap the GW game and finish with Dayton. We have 12 games in already, they only have 8. they should be the team forced to play 3 games in a week. Their schedule should be Vs. Bonas, @richmond, @ St. Louis.
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Post by fansince1960 on Feb 22, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5
You know what's shameful? That Bona gets no chance to face UMass before the A10 tourney, yet the Bonnies faced VCU twice and will face Davidson in consecutive games 8n Wednesday. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it makes me and probably other Bona partisans to wonder...did UMass try to duck us? The pandemic and the countless pauses wreaked havoc with scheduling across the conference. But hey, UMass is the only foe above Bona that hasn't played them. Doesn't seem fair, but fairness has been tossed out the window this abbreviated season. Currently, UMass is not above the Bonnies in the official standing. Based on common foes between the Bonnies, VCU and UMass, the Bonnies are the #1 seed. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R9g-Ay_wXof46dVd4a6geJD74UIz80f7bdVKHpylkvU/edit#gid=0
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Post by no1stunna on Feb 22, 2021 14:51:31 GMT -5
I love the guy, but that Google spreadsheet isn't the "official standing" (then again neither are my standings). I explained in my updated post why the UMass/VCU/SBU tiebreaker is not split using George Mason. The George Mason/Duquesne tie isn't broken until AFTER the UMass/VCU/SBU tie is. So, you can't just look at "George Mason as the first common opponent," you have to look at both Mason and Duquesne as a group. The George Mason/Duquesne tie later IS broken by individual common opponents because the UMass/VCU/SBU tie is broken BEFORE that so they are already separated.
"All ties will be broken in descending order. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the tied teams as a group rather than the performance against individual teams. Once ties are broken, they remain broken throughout the tie-breaker process."
If you want to say Bona 3-0 vs. Mason/Duquesne, VCU 1-1 against that group, UMass 0-1 vs. that group, that is a logical conclusion. But, because Duquesne has only played SBU in that group and I skip any tiebreaker where a 0-0 record is involved, I go to the first team/group of teams that ALL of them have played, which is Rhode Island. However, this season is different in that not every team will play each other. It's possible the A-10 will use 0-0 to split teams at season's end, but they haven't indicated that. The people who are using Mason as the common opponent (1-0 vs. 1-1 vs. 0-1) are skipping the 0-0 record UMass has against VCU and SBU.
Then again, this is all moot because it will look different by next Monday.
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Post by Swede on Feb 22, 2021 15:18:07 GMT -5
The Atlantic 10 site has what should be the "official" standings. They are:
St. Bonaventure 9-3 11-3 VCU 9-3 16-5 UMass 6-2 7-4 Davidson 6-3 11-6 Richmond 5-3 12-5 Dayton 8-6 12-7 Saint Louis 4-3 11-4 George Mason 6-6 10-8 Duquesne 6-6 7-7 George Washington 3-3 4-10 Rhode Island 7-9 10-13 La Salle 5-10 8-14 Fordham 2-11 2-11 Saint Joseph's 1-9 2-14
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Post by Dunga on Feb 22, 2021 15:44:20 GMT -5
I love the guy, but that Google spreadsheet isn't the "official standing" (then again neither are my standings). I explained in my updated post why the UMass/VCU/SBU tiebreaker is not split using George Mason. The George Mason/Duquesne tie isn't broken until AFTER the UMass/VCU/SBU tie is. So, you can't just look at "George Mason as the first common opponent," you have to look at both Mason and Duquesne as a group. The George Mason/Duquesne tie later IS broken by individual common opponents because the UMass/VCU/SBU tie is broken BEFORE that so they are already separated. "All ties will be broken in descending order. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the tied teams as a group rather than the performance against individual teams. Once ties are broken, they remain broken throughout the tie-breaker process." If you want to say Bona 3-0 vs. Mason/Duquesne, VCU 1-1 against that group, UMass 0-1 vs. that group, that is a logical conclusion. But, because Duquesne has only played SBU in that group and I skip any tiebreaker where a 0-0 record is involved, I go to the first team/group of teams that ALL of them have played, which is Rhode Island. However, this season is different in that not every team will play each other. It's possible the A-10 will use 0-0 to split teams at season's end, but they haven't indicated that. The people who are using Mason as the common opponent (1-0 vs. 1-1 vs. 0-1) are skipping the 0-0 record UMass has against VCU and SBU. Then again, this is all moot because it will look different by next Monday. If it's a group (Duquesne/Mason), you shouldn't skip because of a 0-0 record. Teams are considered of equal value. What's your record against that group? That's what counts. I see no indication that the A10 would skip over the entire group. It's the same principle if SBU only played Mason once and VCU played them twice. SBU is 1-0, VCU 1-1.
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Post by bigcat on Feb 22, 2021 22:49:00 GMT -5
You both lost me at “hello”. I’ll wait until Monday for Abbott and Costello to tell me who’s on first!
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