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Post by towniegrad on Jan 2, 2023 21:14:59 GMT -5
Where the Obama family lives is irrelevant.
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Post by skeller6 on Jan 3, 2023 7:52:50 GMT -5
Global warming is a massive fraud.........perpetrated by far left socialists and communists all attempting to destroy the American heavy industrial base, and converting into a statist green soviet style economy......how did that work in the old USSR sparky??
A great example is the red NYS legislature, requiring that all school buses be all electric by 2027 even though all electric buses are clear fire hazards, and can not heat the interior of the vehicles for prolonged periods of time in winter storm emergencies, unlike gas or diesel fueled buses........remember battery power is greatly reduced by cold temps........
Or requiring all replacement heating systems and new build heating systems be heat pumps in upstate New York by 2025, even though 95 -99% of upstate homes heat with natural gas, fuel oil, propane, coal, wood or wood pellets, and heat pumps will not work in extreme cold.
If heat pumps were in place in all homes in WNY during the recent blizzard hundreds of folks would have frozen to death in their own homes........just another mark in the global warming insanity......
And you wonder why folks are moving out of NYS in droves.......no it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out!
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Post by skeller6 on Jan 3, 2023 8:03:41 GMT -5
Where the Obama family lives is irrelevant. How many illegal aliens reside on their island.....?
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Post by thesocalkid on Jan 3, 2023 15:47:13 GMT -5
1st - I want to thank the Administrator of this Board for my Off-Topics post. 2nd I apologize to Derhut for hijacking your thread.
Now, this is what should concern all of the New York State Starting in 2025 you all will have to change the way your structure is heated. It will be required by law to use an electric heat pump. What does that mean, you ask?
Well, you will need to buy one that is efficient enough to continuously heat the structure you are in. How much will that cost you?
Next, who will install the NEW heat pump? There will be thousands of homes and businesses that will need to be changed out. That includes dismantling your current heating scource and removing it from the premise. And then, how much is it going to cost? Oh wait, it will be a NYS rebate. Which means less money collected and put in the State Kitty.
Last is this, fast forward ten years from now. With every structure using Heat Pumps to stay warm and with all the new vehicles are electric and your stove will need to be electric ect... the electric grid will not be able to handle the demand ( draw ) on the system. That means power failures and complete black outs.
Don't question me on this. I have done my homework and talked with those who build power plants across the world. I could go on and on but, I won't.
The End
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Jan 3, 2023 16:43:45 GMT -5
So dumb what NYState is doing. SO, SO dumb. So glad I don’t live in NYS any longer. Vote the bastards out and repeal.
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Post by gregmitch70 on Jan 3, 2023 16:58:00 GMT -5
1st - I want to thank the Administrator of this Board for my Off-Topics post. 2nd I apologize to Derhut for hijacking your thread. Now, this is what should concern all of the New York State Starting in 2025 you all will have to change the way your structure is heated. It will be required by law to use an electric heat pump. What does that mean, you ask? Well, you will need to buy one that is efficient enough to continuously heat the structure you are in. How much will that cost you? Next, who will install the NEW heat pump? There will be thousands of homes and businesses that will need to be changed out. That includes dismantling your current heating scource and removing it from the premise. And then, how much is it going to cost? Oh wait, it will be a NYS rebate. Which means less money collected and put in the State Kitty. Last is this, fast forward ten years from now. With every structure using Heat Pumps to stay warm and with all the new vehicles are electric and your stove will need to be electric ect... the electric grid will not be able to handle the demand ( draw ) on the system. That means power failures and complete black outs. Don't question me on this. I have done my homework and talked with those who build power plants across the world. I could go on and on but, I won't. The End "Don't question me on this." Sorry, your warning on 2025 is totally misleading. First, the heat pump plan has not even been adopted. It's only been recommended by a 22-member council. Still has to be approved and implemented by the legislature, governor and various agencies. Second, the claim that starting in 2025 "you will all have to change" is laughable, even if plan is fully adopted and implemented by then (and good luck with that). Only brand NEW homes would face that mandate in 2025. No change for others. In fact, unless you are building and moving into a new home in this entire decade you don't have to worry about it. And in 2030 you still would not have to make a change unless your current heating system needs fully replacing--that is, if the current timeline survives the implementation process and does extend further.
So: if you are concerned about this, and any eventual price increases (after generous subsidies)--that's fine. Understood. But spreading misinformation now does not help.
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Post by Hermit on Jan 3, 2023 17:16:27 GMT -5
1st - I want to thank the Administrator of this Board for my Off-Topics post. 2nd I apologize to Derhut for hijacking your thread. Now, this is what should concern all of the New York State Starting in 2025 you all will have to change the way your structure is heated. It will be required by law to use an electric heat pump. What does that mean, you ask? Well, you will need to buy one that is efficient enough to continuously heat the structure you are in. How much will that cost you? Next, who will install the NEW heat pump? There will be thousands of homes and businesses that will need to be changed out. That includes dismantling your current heating scource and removing it from the premise. And then, how much is it going to cost? Oh wait, it will be a NYS rebate. Which means less money collected and put in the State Kitty. Last is this, fast forward ten years from now. With every structure using Heat Pumps to stay warm and with all the new vehicles are electric and your stove will need to be electric ect... the electric grid will not be able to handle the demand ( draw ) on the system. That means power failures and complete black outs. Don't question me on this. I have done my homework and talked with those who build power plants across the world. I could go on and on but, I won't. The End "Don't question me on this." Sorry, your facts are mainly wrong. First, the heat pump plan has not even been adopted. It's only been recommended by a 22-member council. Still has to be approved and implemented by the legislature, governor and various agencies. Second, the claim that starting in 2025 "you will all have to change" is laughable, even if plan is fully adopted and implemented by then (and good luck with that). Only brand NEW homes would face that mandate in 2025. No change for others. In fact, unless you are building and moving into a new home in this entire decade you don't have to worry about it. And in 2030 you still would not have to make a change unless your current heating system needs fully replacing--that is, if the current timeline survives the implementation process and does extend further.
So: if you are concerned about this, and any eventual price increases (after generous subsidies)--that's fine. Understood. But spreading misinformation now does not help.
Socal….. Ms. Gill would be sooo upset with you for not doing your homework!!
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Post by thesocalkid on Jan 4, 2023 6:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by towniegrad on Jan 4, 2023 12:10:40 GMT -5
Climate is long term. Change is everywhere and no place is immune. Effects and severity will vary from place to place. Impacts on some areas will be more immediate and severe than on others....low coastal areas may see greater problems sooner TRy to think of florida as the Venice of the future!😱
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Post by skeller6 on Jan 4, 2023 12:13:43 GMT -5
So dumb what NYState is doing. SO, SO dumb. So glad I don’t live in NYS any longer. Vote the bastards out and repeal. Yup you are so correct - this is a radical socialist green plan to destroy the viability of homes and businesses in the NYS and require all electric homes and vehicles, all in line with WEC plan for the Great Reset. By the way heat pumps do not work in extreme cold, thus endangering citizens in the their own homes during severe weather, like blizzards (but we all know those do not happen in upstate NY right ?). Or forcing all electric school buses, even though we know that battery power is severely reduced in cold weather conditions, thus endangering our school children stranded on school buses in severe weather conditions (but we all know those types of incidents do not occur in upstate New York during the winter right? Or forcing all trucks and equipment to go all electric, even though we know such equipment does not really exist (NYC attempted to use all electric garbage and snow plow trucks and it was a complete and total failure), and the use of heavy duty diesel equipment saved WNY during the Great Blizzard of 2022.
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Post by skeller6 on Jan 4, 2023 12:26:15 GMT -5
1st - I want to thank the Administrator of this Board for my Off-Topics post. 2nd I apologize to Derhut for hijacking your thread. Now, this is what should concern all of the New York State Starting in 2025 you all will have to change the way your structure is heated. It will be required by law to use an electric heat pump. What does that mean, you ask? Well, you will need to buy one that is efficient enough to continuously heat the structure you are in. How much will that cost you? Next, who will install the NEW heat pump? There will be thousands of homes and businesses that will need to be changed out. That includes dismantling your current heating scource and removing it from the premise. And then, how much is it going to cost? Oh wait, it will be a NYS rebate. Which means less money collected and put in the State Kitty. Last is this, fast forward ten years from now. With every structure using Heat Pumps to stay warm and with all the new vehicles are electric and your stove will need to be electric ect... the electric grid will not be able to handle the demand ( draw ) on the system. That means power failures and complete black outs. Don't question me on this. I have done my homework and talked with those who build power plants across the world. I could go on and on but, I won't. The End Yup you are so correct. More socialist garbage. NYS is now almost wholly dependent on imported power from Ontario, Quebec, and Pa. and Ohio, and on totally unreliable solar and wind farms (which do enormous damage to the environment i.e.: destruction of farm land, and forest lands and fauna and wildlife, especially bird life). As we now know solar and wind farms do not generate any power during severe weather events. If we had of been dependent 100% on solar and wind power during this Great Blizzard of 2022 (as the radical socialists desire), and had mandated the use of heat pumps, one thing is for certain, we would have had hundreds of citizens frozen to death in their own homes, and been subject to rolling blackouts too. This is failed green new deal policy from NYC radicals .....just say no to this nonsense.
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Post by NILsucks on Jan 4, 2023 13:15:00 GMT -5
We are now stuck with the wicked witch of the east for 4 more years. NY is going down the tubes. Climate change and green energy is a bunch of garbage. Libs are great at pushing the panic button because they know their sheep will fall right in line.
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Post by fjs64 on Jan 4, 2023 14:58:50 GMT -5
I had my first heat pump in the late 1970's while living in Fairfax County VA, early in the technology spectrum. As soon as the temperature got too cold, below 28 F, it would default to straight inefficient electric heat, therefore raising my electric bill. Heat pumps have become better, but I am wary of cold spots in the state relying on this technology.
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Post by skeller6 on Jan 13, 2023 15:00:45 GMT -5
Just when you thought you had heard everything insane coming from the Albany socialists, yet another proposal pops up in addition to the green socialist nonsense. The latest is a proposal to ban the sale and installation of natural gas kitchen stoves in homes and businesses. This follows Hochul's far left wing proposals to ban all natural gas, propane, fuel oil, coal, wood and wood pellet heating systems in homes and businesses by 2025. Problem is that 95% of upstate homes and businesses heat with these sources....but no matter....socialism marches on. Of course she has already laid on the table a proposal to ban the sale all gasoline and diesel autos and trucks by 2035, and to ban all natural gas and coal fired power plants too. This would in reality cause immediate power blackouts, especially when her beloved solar and wind farms are shut down by bad winter weather, which we all know never occurs in upstate New York.....blizzard...what blizzard?
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Post by towniegrad on Jan 13, 2023 15:56:35 GMT -5
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