Rumored salary for Schmidt draws ire of faculty

[TransplantedBonnie]

spils84 said:

transplantedbonnie said:

Thanks for the stats clubber, I do appreciate a first-hand account as I thought you were pulling stats out of thin air (like a lot of people on here do.) However, you never answered my other questions ... once you add football, what woman's sport would you be adding/spending money on? Or, what men's sport would you kill off?

I don't presume to speak for Clubber, but I believe the following information demonstrates why Title IX does not preclude schools from adding men's sports, particularly football, as many schools have recently done:

Participation: Title IX is not a quota system. Every institution has three options to demonstrate fairness in athletic opportunities. Schools can show that they comply with Title IX if they can demonstrate any one of the following:

1. Substantially proportionate athletic opportunities for male and female athletes;
2. A history and continuing practice of expanding opportunities for the under-represented sex;
3. Full and effective accommodation of the interests and abilities of the under-represented sex. Schools do not necessarily need to offer identical sports, yet they do need to provide an equal opportunity for females to play in sports of interest.

It looks as though Bonas is clearly covered by complying with Option 2.

By adding 75+ openings for male student-athletes, and using the #2 idea here, we would have to add a woman's sport (not to say equals 75 women, but a good amount) in the coming years to equal it.

And as No. 3 states "Schools do not necessarily need to offer identical sports, yet they do need to provide an equal opportunity for females to play in sports of interest. "

I am not trying to be a naysayer for football as I love the sport, but seriously look at other people's posts (ie Tree and unclefrosty) and atleast listen to reason of how a financially troubled athletic department thinning itself out to fund football would greatly burden both the department and the university. Maybe 5 years from now it's something to look at, but let the school get its head above the water.

[bonarealist]

I can't stomach this football nonsense again (when we can't even support bad basketball, so who's going to come out and watch really bad football?). I'll check back in June when someone else will have a genius idea and surely post "LET'S ADD FOOTBALL...IT'S GRRRRRRRREEEEAATTTT!!"

Or maybe this topic will just go away forever, which would be great.

[sneakers]

If we have donors that will hit the hip big time to come up with the money necessary to start this program and to build a stadium, weight room, etc., and who will commit to supporting the program in the future, it would be crazy to turn that away. It would be a great source of new students and a good marketing tool for the school. Adding a FB program would not only appeal to potential players, it would also appeal to those who enjoy watching the game or participating as cheerleaders, managers, etc. and add to the quality of life on campus.

As for the other sports, that Frosty mentioned, add them as well. At $30k per new student that we attract it is insane that we don't have lacrosse, track and field, field hockey, volleyball, etc. Potential students who want to participate in sports cross SBU off their list of schools to apply to early in the process.

These sports do not need to be self-sustaining through ticket sales, they need to generate sufficient tuition, room and board payments. If we use say 25% of these new revenues to pay for the sports, coupled with ticket sales, that would be a huge win. That would leave 75% of this revenue to contribute to the other costs of running the school, many of which are fixed costs.

If teachers want a raise we need to increase enrollment, plain and simple.

[spils84]

I have to assume that all of us are looking out for the best interests of Bonas, and I certainly wouldn't advocate something that would continue our financial spiral downward. That's why those administrators who are clearly smarter than I would have to examine this issue. But like many other colleges have done, I would look at this as a way to solve enrollment and money problems, not create more of them. Obviously, there are many colleges who have decided this is the way to go.

And for those who wish to focus our athletic efforts solely on basketball, I offer this opinion: In a perfect world, Bonas basketball will be turned around in one season, we will win the A-10 and go on to win a game in the NCAA tournament. Even with all of that, the net gain in terms of enrollment would be a drop in the bucket as compared to that which would result from adding a sport like football or lacrosse.

[southhampton]

Incase there is anyone that does not feel like reposting their same argument again just read the fieldhouse/weightroom thread and every argument is already used there.

[oldschool]

Please make it stop.

[cosmonautlaunchpad]

southhampton said:

Incase there is anyone that does not feel like reposting their same argument again just read the fieldhouse/weightroom thread and every argument is already used there.

Man that was a great thread.

***editted to add, I bumped it to make Southhampton's suggestion easier for everyone. Now folks can copy and paste their old football arguments, since there is little to no difference.

[treedoyle]

I wasn't around for the first arguments against FB, so I tried to point out what a ridiculous, terrible, ill-conceived and down-right impossible idea it is for SBU Football.

All I have to show is a throbbing headache due to the ignorance.

This pretty much sums up my Excedrin headache No. 5: "Adding a FB program would not only appeal to potential players, it would also appeal to those who enjoy watching the game or participating as cheerleaders, managers, etc. and add to the quality of life on campus."

[DemBonnies]

sbu79 said:

Dem-

Please, Please tell them you were being sarcastic!

Boys/Girls----please the football remark was just sarcasm...this and the faculty vs. Schmidt $$$$ are just too much

[Bona84]

Wow! This was an unbelievably long thread, all related to a decision to increase a salary by something less than .2% of the University's expenses.

[bonarealist]

interesting spin, bona84. how about his salary doubled. i don't see faculty or staff salaries doubling, not even quartering.

ok, now we're back on topic.

[spils84]

Hmm, I wonder if there was something that the administration could look at as a way to be able to pay higher salaries to the faculty. But, I guess in order to do that they would need more students and/or additional revenues.

Instead of discussing substantial (and realistic) solutions to this issue, let's just say a few prayers to St. Francis in hopes of a miracle. And maybe, just maybe, an ark full of high schoolers will descend upon Allegany and realize that this is where they belong.

[sbu79]

bonarealist said:

interesting spin, bona84. how about his salary doubled. i don't see faculty or staff salaries doubling, not even quartering.

ok, now we're back on topic.

I don't think quartering the salaries of the faculty would be a good idea.

[sburizz]

well Schmidt did accept a job at a different employer, it is very likely that some of the faculty could get paid more at other Universities or private firms. However Barry Gan would find it difficult to find a job elsewhere.

[keystone]

spils84 said:

Hmm, I wonder if there was something that the administration could look at as a way to be able to pay higher salaries to the faculty. But, I guess in order to do that they would need more students and/or additional revenues.

They are already ahead of you, have you been to campus lately? Football will be back in no time.