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Post by deuce on Jan 10, 2013 9:55:54 GMT -5
I've grown tired of giving Schmidt and his team a pass on recruiting because it's "tough to recruit to SBU" because of the college's location et al. Good gracious, SBU has a great campus, plays in the A10 and has a basketball crazed student body and following - yet it's become commonplace for SBU not to sign recruits until late each summer (if then). I mean, do MS and his staff wait until the season's completed to start "making the recruiting rounds"? Are the fall and winter just spent sending out fliers and making a few calls? Recruiting is a 24/7 business - 365 days a year - when MS and staff figure that out, maybe we'll see some different results.
The program's been a complete bust this year - both on the court and on the recruiting front! What a total disappointment.
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Post by pete on Jan 10, 2013 10:31:01 GMT -5
SEVERE stated that SBU is recruiting him hard. I don't think it is lack of effort. I am starting to worry it is incompetence
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Post by demourse on Jan 10, 2013 11:26:38 GMT -5
Drink a big warm glass of STFU, will you, deuce - we're 14 games removed from an NCAA tourney appearance (with a 7-7 record) and all you can do is launch into a tirade about recruiting - patience
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Post by west5mile on Jan 10, 2013 11:42:33 GMT -5
demourse, I think patience was wearing thin last season when an NCAA-level team was mired in a poorly-coached funk with just a month to go and needed #44 to play superman for 6 weeks of thrilling basketball to SAVE THE COACH'S BUTT. We're 14 games removed from Andrew Nicholson being the best thing to happen to Bonnies basketball in 12 years. Now we're stuck with the same staff that can't close on recruits, and clearly hasn't developed the team we have this year to save their lives. I don't know - I'm inclined to think DEUCE has got his head on straight.
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Post by deuce on Jan 10, 2013 11:52:18 GMT -5
Demourse - get your head out of your @$$ and take off the brown & white glasses - and stop with the hyperbole ("launch into a tirade" et al) - so, we're 14 games removed from an NCAA tourney - wonderful!! My point is that this staff has demonstrated an inability to sign players during the regular signing period - it's become a trend. Many on this board have given the staff a "pass" with the "it's tough to recruit to SBU" excuse. The staff is either lazy or, as someone suggested, incompetent in terms of recruiting - 14 games removed from an NCAA tourney has no bearing on the issue.
The lazy / poor recruiting of the past few years is only equaled by the indifferent play of the last 4 games. 20 points blow outs is unacceptable - even if we are only 14 games removed from an NCAA tourney. I can accept the losses - what's tough to swallow is the manner in which we lost.
Now that I'm "done" maybe I'll drink that warm glass of STFU!
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Post by res on Jan 10, 2013 12:29:02 GMT -5
Don't these Bona assistants work for about $12,000 and a $50 Walmart gift card at Christmas? Look, you can shit all over them for the results obtained. That's fair enough. But, lazy? I wouldn't be surprised if they worked harder than anyone who posts to this board. I can guarantee they work harder than I do. They probably don't even have time to waste a third of their day reading and posting to message boards like we do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 13:02:14 GMT -5
Don't these Bona assistants work for about $12,000 and a $50 Walmart gift card at Christmas? Look, you can ****** all over them for the results obtained. That's fair enough. But, lazy? I wouldn't be surprised if they worked harder than anyone who posts to this board. I can guarantee they work harder than I do. They probably don't even have time to waste a third of their day reading and posting to message boards like we do. Agreed 1000%. I would love for playparentcoach to chime in on this because I know we had one assistant down to visit Mr. Long at least three times and really felt he could play in the A10 and told the HC as much. Unfortunately the HC did not see it that way. Likewise, I know of a PG in Ohio that was literally ready to sign the papers (I know he couldn't, but you get my point) when he left SBU, but again, the HC thought he was not good enough and decided to wait for all the top 100 recruits to just email him. In the meantime, this PG is averaging over 25 points a game and will most likely be the player of the year in the same league that a current bonnie managed just 11ppg in. I think the assistants are doing their job, I have a feeling the HC thinks he's smarter than the rest and is trying to reinvent the wheel. Hey, I know I'm not an expert, but when a kid is averaging more than 6.5 ppg more than the next guy, in one of the best basketball leagues in Ohio, if not the country, he maybe able to help your A10 school. Please, stop trying to recruit kids that can jump real high and recruit kids that can actually put the ball in the basket! (And may be stay if front of someone as well, as long as I am asking for the world!) www.gclsports.com/bkStats.aspx?satc=160&v=a&stat=score&sort=2&div=-1&year=2012www.gclsports.com/bkStats.aspx?satc=160&v=a&stat=score&sort=2&div=-1&year=2007 |
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Post by faffy444 on Jan 10, 2013 13:12:54 GMT -5
JAC, thanks for the expose. sometimes i think the HC doesnt think anyone is good enuf. then look at the present roster , and the results on the floor !
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Post by robfalbonnies on Jan 10, 2013 13:25:20 GMT -5
More along the lines of 55-60K with a car and cell phone payments taken care of
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Post by demourse on Jan 10, 2013 14:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by az63 on Jan 10, 2013 15:45:59 GMT -5
If the current roster is an indication of Schmidt's "player profile" then he has the wrong plan. With one or two exceptions, the current roster would be pine riders with most other mid-major programs.
Plus. it's apparent that there is no offensive identity to this group and they appear to be free lancers that can't shoot and lack the athleticism to play man to man defense. Even when they went zone a couple of times last night they couldn't defend the wings or the top.
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Post by gdub2009 on Jan 10, 2013 15:53:09 GMT -5
So to all the people that are saying our coaches are lazy recruiters...do you have any facts to back that up? I will agree that our recruiting has been sub-par lately, but just assuming our coaches are lazy because they have had trouble recruiting is ignorant.
I guess we just have to wait and see who they get in the Spring. The Fall signing period is over, might as well get over it.
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Post by deuce on Jan 10, 2013 16:24:45 GMT -5
Hey Demourse - I didn't think you'd come up that phrasing on your own - but feel free to use it anytime. Notwithstanding the fact that I touched upon the on the court performance this year in an earlier post, the post focused on this staff and recruiting. The fact that we're 14 games into the season has no bearing on the fact that this staff grades out poorly when it comes to recruting - they've been bad recruiters for several seasons now - look, I have an incredibly long history and involvement with SBU - there's nothing I want more than to see the University succeed. X's & O's, while important, can only get a coach so far - he's got to be able to recruit. Right after Saban was hired by Alabama, the AD asked "Nick, have I hired the best coach in the NCAA?" To which Saban replied, "No - but you hired the best recruiter". I'm not equating SBU's situation to Alabama's other than to point out recruiting is what ultimately spells success. Andrew's arrival at SBU (whetherr by luck or whatever) makes it clear the sort of impact good recruits have on a program. I understand SBU is a difficult sell in some respects - all the more reason for MS and his staff to be absolutely tireless on the recruting trail - but year after year, for an A10 to fail to sign recruits until the summer is, to me, a sign that, for whatever reason, something's not entirely right with the recruiting process follwed by MS and hisstaff.
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Post by deuce on Jan 10, 2013 16:30:39 GMT -5
P.S. I give Crowley mega credit for reevaluating his recruiting process and, after a point in time, going at things differently. Schmidt might be well advised to reexamine his recruiting philosophy - I'm not suggesting in any way shape or form he needs to adopt a "money ball" approach - but, at least, rethink it - the current process being followed doesn't appear to be tremendously successful.
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Post by firstdev on Jan 10, 2013 17:20:44 GMT -5
Let's stop eating our own please. Is this the same lazy group of recruiters who landed AN?
Really now we go on a four game losing streak and all we get is folks throwing everyone on staff overboard?
Just preposterous, we will get some very good JUCO transfers and frosh too by the end of the spring period. Have a stiff cocktail and relax.,
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