pbd76
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Post by pbd76 on Jul 7, 2014 16:10:28 GMT -5
Please, can we stop with law school suggestions! See Pinnum's post above. The last thing we need is a third-tier law school which would be a money pit and make our financial situation worse.
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Post by firstdev on Jul 8, 2014 12:14:17 GMT -5
No, because a graduate Catholic law school is an excellent idea. The idea that we would have a third tier law school (sorry exactly what is your definition of a third tier or is that just more elitist rhetoric - again) is just rubbish. Law is still a very popular course of study. I know it does not trump banking and the study of Wall Street repo tactics, but it is still viable, and prestigious. A good fit for a liberal arts school like Bonas. A good revenue generator too.
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Post by res on Jul 8, 2014 12:56:06 GMT -5
I take it that there would be no business law courses in your putative law school...
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Post by Bona84 on Jul 8, 2014 12:57:41 GMT -5
Those would be highly unethical, res.
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Post by sneakers on Jul 8, 2014 13:39:51 GMT -5
First Dev - you spout whatever your opinion is (over and over again), then dig in your heels without ever giving any thought to those who have credible arguments otherwise and then go on to accuse St. Margaret of acting like you act. And all that without an ounce of factual information to back up your assertions. Ridiculous.
I happened to have graduated from Bonas business school as well as from a first tier Catholic law school. I will tell you this - I learned MUCH more about ways to manipulate the system to help financial bad actors (if I wanted to) at the Catholic law school then I ever came close to learning at St. Bonaventure's Business School. So, you want a law school, but the business school is responsible for the financial carnage and unethical behavior (not to mention blocking the heart)? You ought to work a little on the consistency of your arguments. Perhaps you should spend $55k a year for three years to attend one of these private Catholic law schools to help you with your critical thinking skills.
Also, if you don't think a law school at Bonas will be third rate, please list for me examples of ANY law schools that have opened in the last 40 years that are rated in the top 150 law schools in the country. Extra points if one of them is in a rural area. The field of law is over-saturated and this country has way more law schools than it needs. If we are adding graduate programs, the health care field is in much higher demand as is the computer field.
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Post by route16 on Jul 8, 2014 14:01:47 GMT -5
If we are adding graduate programs, the health care field is in much higher demand. Hilbert offers bachelor's degrees in Rehabilitation Services and Human Services and a master's degree in Public Health Administration!
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Post by efsboca on Jul 8, 2014 14:39:33 GMT -5
No, because a graduate Catholic law school is an excellent idea. The idea that we would have a third tier law school (sorry exactly what is your definition of a third tier or is that just more elitist rhetoric - again) is just rubbish. Law is still a very popular course of study. I know it does not trump banking and the study of Wall Street repo tactics, but it is still viable, and prestigious. A good fit for a liberal arts school like Bonas. A good revenue generator too. It is very difficult to get a law school established especially in a rural area as many law professors, even full time professors, still take cases. Its much easier in an urban area. On the positive side, we would have all those smart, ethical lawyers to help negotiate the new NFL contracts we'd be seeing from all the players moving on to the next level from our new D-1 football program.
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Post by Pinnum on Jul 8, 2014 14:42:09 GMT -5
If we are adding graduate programs, the health care field is in much higher demand. Hilbert offers bachelor's degrees in Rehabilitation Services and Human Services and a master's degree in Public Health Administration! St. Bonaventure University, Hilbert School of Graduate Studies?
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Post by bonanim93 on Jul 8, 2014 15:19:05 GMT -5
Wow this is hard to hear... I was really expecting an improvement in enrollment for 2014. There seemed to be more tours and attendance at recruiting events and people were really impressed by the new business building. The renovation of Rob/Fal and the new boilers also pointed to the University being on an uptrend. Clearly these comments from 'maggie' show there is no improvement in enrollment. This is bad, the professors are already paid very low salaries comparatively. Low funds will also negatively impact student life. It leaves me with a few questions... What will be cut first if the University is desperate? Certainly some sports/club teams would be on the block. Basketball is untouchable but everything else is fair game. I'm sure some of the liberal arts majors would be cut as well. And 2nd, who the ef is running the university's endowment? Last I checked it returned something like 1% in 2012, not sure about 2013 but I'm sure it's just as terrible! Like ****** I know you can't takes lots of risks with the endowment but come on! You almost have to try to do as poorly as our endowment has been doing. Endowments at other schools have been sky rocketing along with with market. Wish I could help more, but I will donate what I can for the professors sake. I hope recent graduates do the same! Oh and yeah no way the merger will be beneficial to SBU. If a sports team were to be cut...I believe we would no longer be in the a-10 or be division 1. In order to be division 1, I believe we need to keep 14 teams. As well, cutting a sports team wouldn't help the university at all. Believe me when I tell you this... most of student-athletes in the minor sports teams have old uniforms, pay for new uniforms themselves, and also pay out of their own pockets on away trips. The university doesn't support the minor sports too well to begin with, so cutting a program wouldn't do any good. Plus, we don't want more kids to transfer..some minor sports keep kids at bonas. The opportunity to play d-1 anything is underestimated and undervalued.
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Post by bonanim93 on Jul 8, 2014 15:30:28 GMT -5
A nursing program would be great and beneficial for students and for the university. I am sure it would be expensive to add the major, but long term it would prove to be extremely beneficial.
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Post by nyc02 on Jul 8, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -5
After reading this I had a thought about my time when I was looking back in the late 90s. I remember my mother stating that I would not be attending Bonaventure if it was not in a financially good spot. Luckily it was, but I have seen this writing on the wall for awhile.
So, instead of bitching and moaning lets get our University back on track!
Some thoughts I think everyone can assist with?
1) Recruit, Recruit, Recruit... And Recruit more. Ask admissions for brochures, etc and bring them to your local high school if not already being called on by a Bona recruiter. 2) Bonaventure Recruiting We need to step this up and I think its time we look at people who truly eat, breath, and love Bonas... Everyone knows someone who worked in recruiting and we need new ideas and every alumni to help within the community they live. 3) Recruit outside Western NY. Yes, WNY will always be our home, but nobody is staying there after graduation (i.e. Charlotte, NY, Chicago are major markets our alumni are heading. We need to target heavily outside Western NY. 4) Recruit with a purpose of bringing in prospective students who are right for Bonas and will stay at Bonas. I attended Bonas because of it is a Great Catholic University, College Hoops, Smaller knit, and Outgoing people. Stick with what made us successful and be ourselves and not cater to everyone and everything. 4) Campus Activity Board - Back in the early 90s it was cut drastically, and I believe the same should be done so immediately. 5) Raises - I am afraid Sister Margret is right. We cannot give them at the moment, but many others in the Nation are receiving the same news. Provide private financial counseling for staff, facility if needed and keep encouraging them. 6) Athletics - Raise sponsorships ASAP. If done right it might open the door for new opportunities and challenge the norm. Help bring in more money, so the school has to provide less. 7) I think the most important - contact every single Alumni, Parents of Alumni, facility, staff etc in a letter, email, or town hall forum etc and explain the state of Bonaventure and openly discuss the need to share the story of our great University, recruit, donate whatever you can and continue to be prideful in our great University. 8) Lastly, be true to ourselves. We cannot as a small Liberal Arts Univ with a heavy Education, Comm, and Business programs have every major / resource under the sun for everyone. Make the tough decisions and be strong and support those who are doing all they can to support our great University!
I Believe in Bonas!!!
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Post by Friar on Jul 9, 2014 7:47:51 GMT -5
Since I last posted there has been some good feedback. Good!! Lets keep the criticism of Sister Margaret off the Bandwagon. IMHO Sister Margaret is doing all she can while living up to Franciscan values. It is tough these days to do that. The BOT deserves some criticism as well. They ultimately have a say in the direction of the university. The fact we haven't added new majors is the big problem. It is time for SBU to seriously consider adding relevant majors. The more offerings Bonas offers will help to improve enrollment.
I agree with NYC02 that all alums ought to be out there promoting Bonas. We all know Bonas has much to offer and is a special place. Admissions has expanded recruiting areas but we need to improve. My daughter will enroll at Bonas this Fall. I was reviewing where the students are coming from. Surprisingly, nothing scientific mind you, about 1/3 of the new students are coming from outside NY and PA. People are coming from NC, Fl., Az., IN. and CA. to mention a few. One reason for this is the Medical program implemented several years ago. It is paying dividends. If they could expand this program it would be a coup. Also, develop new majors using the same model as the medical program - engineering and (God forgive me) a pre-law program to name a few. Bonas provides the basics if you will but they will automatically be admitted to a major university in which they have an alliance. For example in the Bona medical program Bonas has an alliance with GW and LECOM. This type of model needs to be further explored.
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Post by tastylicks on Jul 9, 2014 8:20:08 GMT -5
Since I last posted there has been some good feedback. Good!! Lets keep the criticism of Sister Margaret off the Bandwagon. IMHO Sister Margaret is doing all she can while living up to Franciscan values. It is tough these days to do that. The BOT deserves some criticism as well. They ultimately have a say in the direction of the university. The fact we haven't added new majors is the big problem. It is time for SBU to seriously consider adding relevant majors. The more offerings Bonas offers will help to improve enrollment. I agree with NYC02 that all alums ought to be out there promoting Bonas. We all know Bonas has much to offer and is a special place. Admissions has expanded recruiting areas but we need to improve. My daughter will enroll at Bonas this Fall. I was reviewing where the students are coming from. Surprisingly, nothing scientific mind you, about 1/3 of the new students are coming from outside NY and PA. People are coming from NC, Fl., Az., IN. and CA. to mention a few. One reason for this is the Medical program implemented several years ago. It is paying dividends. If they could expand this program it would be a coup. Also, develop new majors using the same model as the medical program - engineering and (God forgive me) a pre-law program to name a few. Bonas provides the basics if you will but they will automatically be admitted to a major university in which they have an alliance. For example in the Bona medical program Bonas has an alliance with GW and LECOM. This type of model needs to be further explored. In the same post where you criticize the BOT for the lack of addition of new majors, you finish by saying the recent addition of the medical program alliances has been great for the school. Isn't that a bit contradictory? (I agree on the medical program alliances btw)
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Post by Pinnum on Jul 9, 2014 8:42:14 GMT -5
Also, develop new majors using the same model as the medical program - engineering and (God forgive me) a pre-law program to name a few. . There is no such thing as pre-law major as far as academics go... Pre-Law is a designation a student gives themselves to get advising on law school admissions. In order to be admitted to law school a student takes the LSAT and must be able to read, write, and think critically. There are no required courses. Some of the undergraduate degrees my friends earned before law school: business, engineering, sociology, political science, English, philosophy, and economics. In fact, I even know a person who studied nursing before becoming an attorney. But Philosophy is often said to be one of the best for developing the skills needed. SBU's strengths in the classics should already be serving them well for law school admissions.
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Post by class70 on Jul 9, 2014 9:15:12 GMT -5
I know the decision to add or eliminate a course of study is rather complicated, and I don't have enough data to know what majors fit best. I will mention a couple of things I would question, however, if I were on the board (which I do not want to be!). I and two of my brothers majored in economics, so I was surprised to learn a few years ago at my reunion that econ is no longer offered as a major. Econ seemed like a low-cost feature of the School of Business. I also have a brother who graduated from the University of Detroit's School of Engineering. He did his first two years at Bona's under the co-op program they had with U of D at that time. Does this program still exist? I pay little attention to the job market for recent college grads, but the last time I looked both engineering and econ grads seemed to be doing pretty well.
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