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Post by jh on Jan 26, 2015 13:00:32 GMT -5
Here are the latest A10 teams - he has 3 in with a 4th very close
Would be nice to get a 4th team in on a down year
VCU 4th seed
Dayton 8th seed
GW 11th seed
Davidson - knocking on the door
CONFERENCE TEAMS
Big 12 8
ACC 7
Big Ten 6
Big East 6
SEC 4
American 3
Mountain West 3
Pac-12 3
Atlantic 10 3
Missouri Valley 2
Conference USA 2
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Post by class70 on Jan 26, 2015 13:10:33 GMT -5
Davidson's expected RPI is 34 vs. GW's 48. It's hard to imagine the committee passing over Davidson with its good history and exciting style of play. Of course, the A10 will get another bid if someone other than those 4 wins the tourney.
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Post by nyc02 on Jan 27, 2015 17:29:31 GMT -5
To get in...we gotta win.
Siena
Pittsburgh
MD East Shore
Delaware
Dayton
Richmond
Rhode Island
What if we had 3-4 of those back...
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Post by thesenator on Jan 28, 2015 9:50:01 GMT -5
To get in...we gotta win. Siena Pittsburgh MD East Shore Delaware Dayton Richmond Rhode Island What if we had 3-4 of those back... there are "bad losses" that knock you out of consideration for an ncaa bid (read siena, umes, and delaware) and there are "good wins" that help you get an ncaa bid (read pitt, dayton, and uri)...whether we get a bid or not, we should've beat siena, umes and delaware...if everything goes our way, we might get 18 wins...not good enough for an ncaa or nit bid, i'm sorry to say (the 3 "bad losses' killed our chances)...if everything doesn't go our way, we could be looking at another disappointing season like demetrius' senior year... |
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Post by kcSBU03 on Jan 28, 2015 10:28:54 GMT -5
Even with those wins (URI, Delaware, UMES, Siena) we would not be getting an at large without knocking off VCU, GW and then an A10 run to the final. Our numbers just wouldnt be there. UMES is not far behind us in RPI and in KenPom by the way. Its only a "bad loss" because of the name on the jersey. Replace that with Texas Tech and people arent lamenting it as much. Still potential to have a nice season, I dont see any reason why we would finish lower than 7th in the conference and then anything can happen in March.
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Post by bigdobber on Jan 28, 2015 10:54:39 GMT -5
In my opinion the schedule was set up for our only chance to be in the tournament is a run through Brooklyn. We need a strong conference record to get a bye in the first round. It's amazing to me how when I brought up the weak OOC schedule 2 months ago many on this board felt the schedule was set up exactly the way it should have been. The ACC learned last year that scheduling a weak OOC schedule will hurt you down the road. Remember Coach K pleading the conference case and specifically mentioning how you just can't compare the ACC and the Atlantic 10 after the ACC got 3 teams in last year? Say what you want about The Big East but they have put themselves right back on track and a lot of it has to do with the schedule their members put together away from conference play. Our SOS needs to be addressed.
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Post by jjjacks17 on Jan 28, 2015 12:57:13 GMT -5
We can't beat UMES, Siena, and Delaware so we should schedule games with Duke, Kentucky, and UNC? Then we would have had a much better shot at the NCAAs? No the schedule has nothing to do with why this team won't make the NCAAs or NIT. We aren't going to make it because we are a very average team. When you are an average team you need schedule winnable OOC games so you can help your conference out and maximize the amount of NCAA bids the A10 gets.
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Post by jh on Jan 28, 2015 13:08:24 GMT -5
In my opinion the schedule was set up for our only chance to be in the tournament is a run through Brooklyn. We need a strong conference record to get a bye in the first round. It's amazing to me how when I brought up the weak OOC schedule 2 months ago many on this board felt the schedule was set up exactly the way it should have been. The ACC learned last year that scheduling a weak OOC schedule will hurt you down the road. Remember Coach K pleading the conference case and specifically mentioning how you just can't compare the ACC and the Atlantic 10 after the ACC got 3 teams in last year? Say what you want about The Big East but they have put themselves right back on track and a lot of it has to do with the schedule their members put together away from conference play. Our SOS needs to be addressed. Dobber I could/should have entered 18 A10 conference schedule with a 10-1 OOC schedule (loss is to Pitt, I reverse losses to Siena, Delaware, UMES ) I could then go 12-6 in A10 getting me to 22-7 entering Brooklyn. I win a game and lose a game and end up 23-8 I have plenty of 'quality wins' available (if I can win them) within the A10 conference play. OCC at Pitt Away at Dayton at GW at Davidson Home VCU Dayton A10 Tournament TBD1 TBD2 Yes we had plenty of opportunity this year mixing in some quality wins from above with with a 23-8 record (and that assumes elimination in the semifinals). Your belief that our OOC schedule meant we could only get to the NCAA via winning the A10 tournament is not true at all. We would be greatly helping our A10 opponents by entering A10 play with a 10-1 record boosting their RPIs as well. My biggest issue in scheduling is the buying of 3 games to the tune of 110k. I see UB has an RPI of 56 but its apparently unheard of to occasionally schedule them home/home but instead prefer paying 35k to a UMES to come in and draw 2k. |
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Post by bigdobber on Jan 28, 2015 17:05:02 GMT -5
OK...We are 11-7, 4-3 playing in one of the better conferences (7th or 8th) and have an RPI around 150. Those numbers just don't add up until you see the SOS is somewhere above 200. Only way to NCAA is through Brooklyn. We didn't put a schedule together that gave us any other avenue.
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Post by sneakers on Jan 28, 2015 17:31:16 GMT -5
You just can't seem to stop with the OOC schedule obsession. If we dropped three easier opponents and added three top 20 teams our record likely would not be better than 11-7, in fact it would likely be worse. How does that get us into the NCAAs other than through the A-10 tourny? I'll give you a hiint. It doesn't. Now if you are saying we should have dropped 3 easier programs and added 3 hard programs and at the same time won four or five additional games I would agree with you. BUT, how do you do that?  I know that seeing this explained to you for the 12th time will not change your mind, so I don't know why I'm even typing this. But your agrument lacks logic without the assumption that our record would somehow be significantly improved by playing a more difficult schedule. Anyway you look at it wih this team, is that we need to win the A-10 tournament to make it to the dance. |
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Post by jh on Jan 29, 2015 14:08:17 GMT -5
Jerry Palms has his latest out today - shows 4 from A10 which is highest of the mid majors
VCU 3rd seed
Dayton 9th seed
GW 10th seed
Davidson 12th seed
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Post by portpasses on Feb 10, 2015 14:24:53 GMT -5
Didn't know where to post this, so settled on the Bracketology thread... this comes from today's Bubble Watch column on ESPN: While I'm at it, Lunardi has just 2 A-10 teams in his most recent Bracketology#5 seed VCU #10 seed Dayton First 4 out includes GW Next 4 out includes Rhode Island and Davidson |
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Post by njbonnie08 on Feb 10, 2015 17:57:02 GMT -5
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I know that seeing this explained to you for the 12th time will not change your mind, so I don't know why I'm even typing this. But your agrument lacks logic without the assumption that our record would somehow be significantly improved by playing a more difficult schedule. Anyway you look at it wih this team, is that we need to win the A-10 tournament to make it to the dance. 
