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Post by fan4ever on Aug 21, 2015 17:53:37 GMT -5
Hi....and bye, Tim. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Post by deuce on Aug 21, 2015 18:00:55 GMT -5
Agree completely BD. Some of the posts are just plain mean spirited. One of the great things about this board is that most of the posts make for a good read. But this particular thread has been hijacked by a few who delight in spewing venom over courtside seating.
The AD's decision is going to destroy the RC is it?
As the program languished in mediocrity, the RC became a far less imposing place for visitors than it once was. Empty seats littered the red and student sections. Courtside seating couldn't save the day then and it won't now. Misstep after misstep by prior administrations - not the school's size and locale as some apologists would have you believe - almost killed the program.
Courtside seating for the students isn't going to get the RC rocking again, but winning sure as heck will.
Watson got things headed in the right direction. I hated to see him go but I'm excited about our new AD. He's got a great vision and plan for elevating the program. Im willing to bet the ranch that the program will continue to improve under his stewardship and that the basketball program will continue to improve as well.
I've put the courtside thing behind me. I'm a lot more interested in winning the "war" than a skirmish over student seating. I'm much more interested in having a winning program than I am about seat selection.
Let the AD do his job.
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Post by agoo on Aug 21, 2015 22:40:16 GMT -5
Can we get to fighting for real truth and justice? And by this I mean a true issue that plagues the RC and the Bona basketball program. That is the length of hot dogs that doesn't match the buns.
Seriously, we're talking about "fighting for truth and justice" over a row of seats? Can we have a little perspective? This isn't fighting against income inequality, its a row of seats.
There were posts a few pages back about not shutting down someones opinions. If its my opinion that someone else has an opinion that is utterly insane and out of touch with anything resembling reality, am I still allowed to state this opinion?
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Post by thebonafan08 on Aug 22, 2015 9:07:44 GMT -5
At the end of the day the new row of seats accomplished three things: - split the fan base - made it easier for our competitors - got rid of the only thing the RC had going for it
I guess some people are ok with this. Sad.
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Post by thesenator on Aug 22, 2015 9:15:47 GMT -5
At the end of the day the new row of seats accomplished three things: - split the fan base - made it easier for our competitors - got rid of the only thing the RC had going for it I guess some people are ok with this. Sad. i don't know how many people are "ok" with it...for me (and i think some others) the feeling is this is the hand we were dealt with (whether it could've been done differently is something that could be debated ad infinitum and won't change anything) so let's make the best of it...to that end my wish is that the student response to this is to be rowdier than they've ever been...that if anyone thinks it is going to be easier to come into the rc and knock us off that they got another thought coming!...
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Post by thesenator on Aug 22, 2015 9:22:59 GMT -5
Can we get to fighting for real truth and justice? And by this I mean a true issue that plagues the RC and the Bona basketball program. That is the length of hot dogs that doesn't match the buns. Seriously, we're talking about "fighting for truth and justice" over a row of seats? Can we have a little perspective? This isn't fighting against income inequality, its a row of seats. There were posts a few pages back about not shutting down someones opinions. If its my opinion that someone else has an opinion that is utterly insane and out of touch with anything resembling reality, am I still allowed to state this opinion? of course you're entitled to your opinion, agoo...in my opinion, had you only posted the middle paragraph that would've said it quite well enough...
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Post by res on Aug 22, 2015 19:43:58 GMT -5
My father always told me to stand up and be counted when fighting for truth and justice, and never to be afraid of a good fight. ...the operative word here being "good". You should have listened to your father.
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Post by efsboca on Aug 23, 2015 14:19:39 GMT -5
Agree completely BD. Some of the posts are just plain mean spirited. One of the great things about this board is that most of the posts make for a good read. But this particular thread has been hijacked by a few who delight in spewing venom over courtside seating. The AD's decision is going to destroy the RC is it? As the program languished in mediocrity, the RC became a far less imposing place for visitors than it once was. Empty seats littered the red and student sections. Courtside seating couldn't save the day then and it won't now. Misstep after misstep by prior administrations - not the school's size and locale as some apologists would have you believe - almost killed the program. Courtside seating for the students isn't going to get the RC rocking again, but winning sure as heck will. Watson got things headed in the right direction. I hated to see him go but I'm excited about our new AD. He's got a great vision and plan for elevating the program. Im willing to bet the ranch that the program will continue to improve under his stewardship and that the basketball program will continue to improve as well. I've put the courtside thing behind me. I'm a lot more interested in winning the "war" than a skirmish over student seating. I'm much more interested in having a winning program than I am about seat selection. Let the AD do his job. Got to double down on the Deuce. Well stated. Not everything will go everyone's way. People can assume it will wreck the student section, but those people assume that because of a row of seats the students are going to whine and scrivel up and die. I don't think that will happen with a solid team and a possibility of winning 20. I think they will be as loud as ever. Every change presents opportunities, so how you deal with that change will determine the outcome. You can see on this board those that may not deal with change well.
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Post by firstdev on Aug 23, 2015 23:13:19 GMT -5
No one on this board claimed that TK's wrongheaded decision to embarrass himself by his greed driven proposal re: selling premium seats in front of the student section, would "destroy the RC". What this really dumb proposal will do however is to seriously disadvantage our student fans and therefore overall program support by muzzling their conduct and spirit at the games. Conduct and spirit which are essential to our success or failure during the season. Security troopers of the most rotund variety will now be placed in back of the of upper crusters and their premium seats to protect these folks from "those students" and will in all likelyhood chill the student crowd base (remember the students did in fact stage their own boycott two years ago when security began to actually harass them at the games). And yet there are folks on this board who refuse to see TK's proposal as a huge miscalculation. They continue to imbibe the TK cool aid. Thus anyone who seriously believes that this proposal is OK and is "a new positive proposal by the AD" is either delusional or has not been in attendance at a Bonas game in the RC for decades. The students, without a doubt, bring electricity in huge quantities to the RC, bottom line. In fact when the students are on break the RC can easily resemble the local funeral home. But apparently the TK supporters do not feel this is a problem, in fact several have stated that the students need to be controlled. Really? Do these supporters really expect the 60, 70 or 80 year old fans in the reds, or the Merlot drinkers in the blues to tell the refs where to put a bad call? So who in their right mind, unless its an individual with no institutional knowledge whatsoever of Bonas and our excellent tradition, would foist this proposal on our community? Answer TK and his wealthy backers, you know the folks who disparage supporters from sending in modest donations to the BAF - you know the Biff and Muffy types (can you imagine real Franciscans discouraging any small acts of charity) who feel that if we can just raise more cash, regardless of the blowback that all will be well, and we will be in Elite 8 every year. Here is some advice, raise all the cash you want, leave the students alone. No student support, no program success. The facts are that this program's fan support has been divided, badly divided by a decision making process that was terribly flawed. Time to fish or cut bait, revoke the seat plan or say bye, bye to TK.
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Post by firstdev on Aug 23, 2015 23:19:39 GMT -5
Some folks just don't get it - without student support there is no way we "win 20".
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Post by tomgleason on Aug 24, 2015 4:26:38 GMT -5
No student support, no program success. The facts are that this program's fan support has been divided, badly divided by a decision making process that was terribly flawed. Time to fish or cut bait, revoke the seat plan or say bye, bye to TK. So, with your torches lit, and pitchforks at the ready...how many backers do you have to burn down the AD offices or Dr Frank N. Stine...or was that Frahnk N. Steen?
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Post by firstdev on Aug 24, 2015 12:55:04 GMT -5
Wow apparently TG has had a conversion on the road.......first he wants to boycott the BAF and now he is TK's biggest acolyte.........pitchforks indeed.
Nonetheless - the seating plan is a disaster, the clock is ticking.......
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Post by Hermit on Aug 24, 2015 20:19:45 GMT -5
Some folks just don't get it - without student support there is no way we "win 20". We have had student support throughout the years.....yet win 20 games so infrequently......
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Post by tomgleason on Aug 24, 2015 21:06:47 GMT -5
Wow apparently TG has had a conversion on the road.......first he wants to boycott the BAF and now he is TK's biggest acolyte.........pitchforks indeed. Nonetheless - the seating plan is a disaster, the clock is ticking....... I have calmed down after a knee jerk reaction, unlike you...and I am not TKS biggest fan, but I'm willing to give him a chance
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Post by deuce on Aug 25, 2015 1:27:44 GMT -5
Brush the chip off your shoulder, firstdev and stop painting everyone who disagrees with your point of view with the same mean spirited brush.
Because you take exception to the decision requiring students to sit one row up off the court and because you don't like the way that decision was communicated, you've filled the site / thread with posts that do little but disparage the character of a lot of people.
While I haven't any problem with your opinion on the issue, I do take real exception to your continued attacks on those with whom you disagree. Rather than debate the issues in a reasoned fashion, you've chosen to attack their integrity and character.
My family has had a deep and intimate involvement with St. Bonaventure for more than 70 years, There were a lot of years when I regularly prayed that both the University and its athletic program's would survive. The student seating issue pales in comparison to the challenges faced by the University a relatively short time ago when the college's finances, physical plant and its once storied basketball program were in shambles. Maybe it's for that reason I don't share anywhere near the passion you do on the issue. SBU isn't the only school to have changed its student seating - it happens relatively often at a lot of schools.
It's because of some strong leadership and sound decision making that the school's financial and athletic standing have improved markedly in recent years. New facilities have been built; older ones have been refurbished. Roads have been repaired and the campus looks great and is one we can be proud of. Clearly, there continue to be struggles with enrollment and finances as is the case with many small private colleges - but they're being addressed. Maybe not in the fashion or as quickly as you'd like, but they're being addressed. There's little doubt that, the administration has established a record which demonstrates an ability to address and meet challenges. For that, I'm incredibly thankful.
If one were to rely on your posts as his sole source of information about SBU, however, they'd come away from those posts with a sense that the administration was indifferent to the needs of the students and that the place had gone to hell in a hand basket under their stewardship. That's simply not the case.
Disagree all you want. Voice your disapproval in this forum and elsewhere's if that's what you want, but how about dispensing with the continual barrage of verbal grenades aimed at a group of ndividuals who truly do have the University's best interests at heart?
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