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Post by towniegrad on Oct 14, 2015 10:39:20 GMT -5
I think Jesus and st.francis would be on board with equal opportunities for all.
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Post by thesenator on Oct 14, 2015 12:16:55 GMT -5
I think Jesus and st.francis would be on board with equal opportunities for all. oh, they're on board all right...but just in case you and i don't live long enough to see that happen, tg, i think (at least i want to believe this) there's a special section in heaven for every mom and dad (mine included) who dug extra deep to pay for their kids to have a catholic education while at the same time paying taxes for someone else's kids to get a tuition-free public school education...
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Post by Swede on Oct 14, 2015 13:34:36 GMT -5
I saw this statement on the other thread:
"BTW....if the annual cost to attend SBU is around $18,500 then that's the number that should be advertised and marketed and not the $43,000 that no one pays. And lowering the annual cost to say, $17,500 and then absolutely trumpeting SBU as the lowest cost public or private 4 year college in NYS would seem to me to be a marketing coup."
I could not agree more because when I was looking at schools for my son last fall, I heard a figure over $40K and ruled out SBU immediately. He now goes to one of my state (not NY) schools and we pay more than the $18,500 listed there. Shame.
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Post by towniegrad on Oct 14, 2015 13:48:06 GMT -5
Public schools aren't, free..everyone pays for them. Part of the cost of having a decent society.
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Post by agoo on Oct 14, 2015 13:51:16 GMT -5
Someone mentioned another college that did what you're suggesting we do with SBU. I think there's some good in that idea for Colleges in general. Billing the actual cost, rather than paying it down for so many with scholarships.
On the other hand, you lose the flexibility to provide larger discounts to exemplary students or those with great financial need.
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Post by thesenator on Oct 14, 2015 14:03:33 GMT -5
Public schools aren't, free..everyone pays for them. Part of the cost of having a decent society. they most certainly are free...tuition-free...and i edited my post to reflect that...and while a public school education is part of the cost of having a decent society, a catholic education, when the lessons taught are taken to heart and become a part of one's life, contribute to a more moral society...
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 14, 2015 14:11:59 GMT -5
Someone mentioned another college that did what you're suggesting we do with SBU. I think there's some good in that idea for Colleges in general. Billing the actual cost, rather than paying it down for so many with scholarships. On the other hand, you lose the flexibility to provide larger discounts to exemplary students or those with great financial need. Actually, it is not so much about the discounts but about those with of means. In the United States, the model has always been that the students that come from more wealthy families (as determined by the FASFA or CSS) will subsidize the cost of education for those that come from families with less means. With increased availability for financial aid and for increased access to capital markets, students are increasingly able to fund their own education without having to draw on their families. However, due to this, many schools have increased what they require students to pay since all students are now able to come up with the money. A school could charge everyone equally but some people think that is exploiting kids from families of modest means that should have their education subsidized. Schools have also found that (moreso before people leveraged their home equity so much) there were families that have been willing to stretch their finances to pay for their kids to attend expensive schools if they felt like they were getting a good discount rate that made it 'a good deal' or 'rare opportunity to attend for kids from families like ours'. Yes, SBU could charge every family $20k but they would only charge kids from wealthy families $20k that would normally pay $30k or more, SBU would ask kids from average income families to pay $20k that would likely turn down the offer and elect to pay $16-24k to attend a school with a sticker price of $50k a year, and lower income families would direct their kids even further away from SBU (at least for the first two years of their education).
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Post by sbu79 on Oct 14, 2015 14:40:44 GMT -5
Public schools aren't, free..everyone pays for them. Part of the cost of having a decent society. they most certainly are free...tuition-free...and i edited my post to reflect that...and while a public school education is part of the cost of having a decent society, a catholic education, when the lessons taught are taken to heart and become a part of one's life, contribute to a more moral society... Public financing of education and public schools do not have to be synonymous. That just happens to be the prevalent model in the US. Discuss and let's see if we can get this to 20pp.
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 14, 2015 17:34:22 GMT -5
Interesting thing happens with public schools that are given a lot of tax payer funding is that they stop educating the poor. It is most often visible with state flagships but happens elsewhere too... You give a school a lot of resources and a blanket reduction in what their students have to pay and you end up with some quality schools but they get filled with the kids of the more affluent because admission is largely merit based and the kids attending the best schools and getting the highest scores arent typically from low income!e homes. (This is one of the reasons Texas has such a great program with their top ten percent plan).
There is a big difference between being charitable as an individual and wanting the state to be charitable on your behalf. The reality is that if free higher education became a reality SBU and all the values would be lost as the school would close.
Society would not be better off and the claims of depressing and crushing debt have been sensationalized. It is only a small fraction of students that graduate with over 50k in debt. And even in those instances, 50k is only a student loan payment of about $500 a month and most of those kids will be at least $500 a month better off as a result of going to college.
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Post by bbb on Oct 15, 2015 2:55:47 GMT -5
That's exactly what I was wondering. Obama sent up a trial balloon a number of months back and now it seems to be a part of Sanders' platform.
So, all the public schools would provide this free education. The Harvards of the world would obviously survive. But, the Bonas, Canisius, etc. wouldn't be able to survive, right?
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 15, 2015 7:47:52 GMT -5
Who knows how any of these proposed plans would be proposed to be implemented (let alone paid for)... They really sound more like plans for states to be proposing since the military academies are the only public schools operated by the federal gov... Will student aid just be expanded to be used for public schools? Will it be grants or loans? Is it just a voucher system that is only applicable to public schools? What defines a public school? Is Temple public? Is Penn State public? Is Delaware public? Is Cornell public? If it is operated by the federal gov, does residency no longer matter? Is anyone going to Michigan or UCLA now going to go for free even if they are from out of state? It is interesting, and not many people know it, that a high percentage of the people working on wall street from Cornell attended the SUNY contract college at the Ivy League school since Applied Economics and Management is a major offered in the College of Agricultural and Life Sciences. This is interesting because most people think that taxpayers fund Cornell CALS for things like educating farmers and don't like the idea of funding Ivy League students planning to go to wall street. admissions.cals.cornell.edu/academics/majors/aem/Honestly, I don't think any politician expects anything like free education to come about. They are merely pandering to get votes. The people in college now will not see it benefiting themselves because they will graduate before anything is implemented. Even if such a program were to be implemented, I would expect private schools to be lobbying hard for inclusion. Many of the elite private schools have very close relationships with many people in DC.
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Post by bbb on Oct 15, 2015 17:18:55 GMT -5
Interesting info -thanks!
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