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Post by agoo on Apr 11, 2016 14:46:23 GMT -5
There's also overall spending, so adding a sport with 13 more travelling members than the one you're dropping does not help you there. Plus, we would need to find a conference as the A-10 does not sponsor men's lacrosse. St. Joe's is in the Northeast Conference, Richmond is in the Southern Conference, and UMass is in the CAA. We'd probably be looking to join the MAAC to limit travel.
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 11, 2016 15:34:29 GMT -5
2 reasons: (and yes its officially the offseason with this conversation going on) 1) Money 2) Title IX Both are related since if we had the money I bet we would add Mens Lax and another women's sport but until we have more money to play with, I dont think it will happen. I'd love to see a Lax program at Bonas, its a really popular sport in this region Just a suggestion here but one way to remain Title IX compliant and save money in the short term would be to drop a men's sport and add lacrosse would it not? Not to pick on any team and it might be a harsh opinion here, I am just a guy spitballing on a message board, but the tennis team has like 7 players. Lacrosse brings like 20. I am assuming both teams would have very few scholarships so you are adding at the very least 13 more paying students? If I am off base here you can scold me. Not to mention what a popular lacrosse team could do for the university. Look at what the Men's Rugby team has done since '00. They've won a couple state championships at the Division 2 level, then moved up to the D1 level, and are playing in arguably the toughest conference in the Nation (the East, with teams like Kutztown, PSU, West Virginia, West Point, and Wheeling Jesuit).. It takes 15 players to field a team, and due to the great job the Coaching Staff has done, they now have two very competitive "sides" playing (essentially Varsity and Junior Varsity, or if you know Rugby, Side A and Side B).. Their now "recruiting" internationally, and some very big recruits from Ohio all the way up to Vermont!.. For Lacrosse, i think it comes down to the Alumni stepping up and helping to pay for the cost of travel, uniforms, and even the coaching salaries. They had a club team when i was there ('00 and on), and i think they could move up from their D2 level of competition, if certain things were provided..
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Post by bbb on Apr 11, 2016 19:28:58 GMT -5
I'm confused - isn't rugby a club sport?
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Post by fjs64 on Apr 11, 2016 19:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 11, 2016 20:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by firstdev on Apr 11, 2016 23:03:40 GMT -5
Dropping a sport would be bad policy. It would generate all kinds of negative publicity. We do not need that type of exposure. Besides we would probably lose those athletes to transfer, again not a good outcome. We need to add overall sports, not decrease teams, in order to attract more students. Remember to keep our eye on the prize - more students in the seats. That is our number one priority bare none. Nothing else really matters. 395 frosh is not acceptable. We need to do much better in the short term. Rugby is a club sport, as is hockey. Both are very popular sports at Bonas. Rugby has really had unmatched success in the recent past.
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 12, 2016 2:34:56 GMT -5
Dropping a sport would be bad policy. It would generate all kinds of negative publicity. We do not need that type of exposure. Besides we would probably lose those athletes to transfer, again not a good outcome. We need to add overall sports, not decrease teams, in order to attract more students. Remember to keep our eye on the prize - more students in the seats. That is our number one priority bare none. Nothing else really matters. 395 frosh is not acceptable. We need to do much better in the short term. Rugby is a club sport, as is hockey. Both are very popular sports at Bonas. Rugby has really had unmatched success in the recent past. Thats all i was saying about the Rugby team, they have had a lot of success, and its due to their hard work, getting out recruiting, getting sponsors, and keeping the alumni engaged.. So for the Lacrosse team, i was saying maybe they should follow in the path of the Rugby Team, in certain ways to generate money on their own, maybe start saving money to start small scholarships, and get more HS players interested in coming to Bona's.. The rugby team has brought many new students athletes to Bona's, and by getting better and moving up in competition, their getting their name (our name) out there more.. So instead of dropping a Varsity Team, some of these club teams could do the same, and maybe that will get the school to recognize the benefit of the club teams, and hopefully finance them a little more, to start them off.. This self made progress only helps the school, and i obviously don't know what the Lacrosse team is doing, nor that of the Hockey team? Maybe, and hopefully, they have already started to do these things.. I wish all hard working club teams the best.. And just like in Rugby, theres becoming more and more National Recognition, with TV exposure.. Lacrosse and Hockey have the same platform, and a chance to get there too.. I just want to see whats best for Bona's, and in no way was i trying to single out the Rugby team for their success, like i said, maybe they are just a good module to which to follow..
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Post by agoo on Apr 12, 2016 8:11:51 GMT -5
You really can't compare rugby and lacrosse at Bona's. There was a club lacrosse team when I was there, but they're not building towards going division I. Rugby is not an NCAA sport and lacrosse is. Lacrosse could put in all the effort and energy that rugby is, but they aren't building towards anything like the rugby team can.
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Post by thesenator on Apr 12, 2016 8:23:11 GMT -5
There's also overall spending, so adding a sport with 13 more travelling members than the one you're dropping does not help you there. Plus, we would need to find a conference as the A-10 does not sponsor men's lacrosse. St. Joe's is in the Northeast Conference, Richmond is in the Southern Conference, and UMass is in the CAA. We'd probably be looking to join the MAAC to limit travel. someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was of the impression that schools had to field a minimum of 14 teams to remain in the a-10 so, if that's correct, we couldn't drop a sport (we have the minimum 14 right now) without replacing it with another sport that the a-10 fields teams in... this might be a pre-mature time to bring this topic up, but sometime in the future, maybe in conjunction with the naming of the interim president, this board could discuss ways we the alums/friends of bonas can take a more pro-active role...for instance, it was mentioned that maybe the alums could step up to help finance a club sport with the hope of that being a way of increasing enrollment while at the same time hopefully see that club sport develop into a div 1 team (our rugby team being an excellent example/model)...
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Post by agoo on Apr 12, 2016 8:32:21 GMT -5
There's also overall spending, so adding a sport with 13 more travelling members than the one you're dropping does not help you there. Plus, we would need to find a conference as the A-10 does not sponsor men's lacrosse. St. Joe's is in the Northeast Conference, Richmond is in the Southern Conference, and UMass is in the CAA. We'd probably be looking to join the MAAC to limit travel. someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was of the impression that schools had to field a minimum of 14 teams to remain in the a-10 so, if that's correct, we couldn't drop a sport (we have the minimum 14 right now) without replacing it with another sport that the a-10 fields teams in... this might be a pre-mature time to bring this topic up, but sometime in the future, maybe in conjunction with the naming of the interim president, this board could discuss ways we the alums/friends of bonas can take a more pro-active role...for instance, it was mentioned that maybe the alums could step up to help finance a club sport with the hope of that being a way of increasing enrollment while at the same time hopefully see that club sport develop into a div 1 team (our rugby team being an excellent example/model)... I didn't factor that in with the A-10 requiring 14. That would be a complicating factor and also explain why there are so few A-10 teams offering lacrosse. Also, rugby is not an applicable model because it is not an NCAA sport. You can go from a start-up club team to the upper echelon of the college sport over time if you dedicate energy there. You can't do that with lacrosse.
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Post by maplehurst on Apr 12, 2016 11:01:44 GMT -5
What happened to the women's lax team of a few years ago? Why was the team disbanded? Did they play in the A-10? Maybe they could be resurrected.
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Post by tastylicks on Apr 12, 2016 11:07:49 GMT -5
What happened to the women's lax team of a few years ago? Why was the team disbanded? Did they play in the A-10? Maybe they could be resurrected. It wasn't disbanded. We have a women's lacrosse team that plays every year in the Atlantic 10, now on the beautiful new field. About 5-10 years ago or so they had better records but they still play, having ups and downs like every other team. When I was a student they were very good and I used to watch them play quite a bit. I don't make it back to campus now for their games so I couldn't tell you anything about the current team. gobonnies.sbu.edu/sports/w-lacros/index
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Post by gdub2009 on Apr 12, 2016 11:08:46 GMT -5
You need 14 sports minimum to be a division 1 program.
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Post by CoachSBU on Apr 12, 2016 12:12:57 GMT -5
Absurd that Bonas does not have D-1 Hockey program. (Cue the boo-birds) We used to have a D-1 Hockey team that started up in the 1981-82 academic year, I believe, if my memory serves me right. We were a "club team" up until then as Dr. Moore was the hockey coach and when the Olean ice rink was built early in the 80s, that coincided with SBU having a Division 1 team. When did we go back to having a club team? Anybody have a more accurate account of this? I am going by memory....
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Post by res on Apr 12, 2016 12:30:50 GMT -5
It wasn't disbanded. We have a women's lacrosse team that plays every year in the Atlantic 10, now on the beautiful new field. About 5-10 years ago or so they had better records but they still play, having ups and downs like every other team. Yes, the women's lax team (essentially) replaced the women's volleyball team, coming in the year after volleyball was eliminated. I don't remember if volleyball was eliminated specifically to accommodate the lax team, but the volleyball team had been non-competitive for years.
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