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Post by wgt on Dec 16, 2007 18:33:56 GMT -5
Excellent points Chuck. Z gathered in 8 boards, had a steal & only 2 TOs in 35+ mins played. As Coach said in the Post game we couldn’t hit the ocean tonight. A frustrating loss in that we were in a position to win in spite of Lee & Zs 5-30. I felt a golden opportunity was missed in beating what I expect will be a 20 win team on the road. Going in I had little thought about a W but up 5 @ 13:31 & tied with 3:15 play it was there for the taking IF we could’ve hit the ocean a few times. Some positives I take from the game are: 1-We held Hampton to their fewest points all season & they have played some solid clubs. Created 22 TOs. Our D is showing improvement over last 4 seasons & Z is part of that. 2- We turned it over 15 times against Hampton’s top defense that causes opponents to turn it over 20 or more a game. 3- Eleby had only 2 TOs in 16 mins, 3 boards & 1 steal. 4- We did not get rattled against their pressure, our movement created good shots (got 10 more shots than Hampton) but could not make any of them. 5- Surprisingly held a lead for 8 mins of 2nd half. 6- According to Coach the intensity was there.
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Post by bigdobber on Dec 16, 2007 20:13:29 GMT -5
When you have a thin squad all the players are important because there are just so many combos out there. Both Z and Relph are important. It would be nice to see all 3 seniors have a top game. That will be the night we upset one of the better teams in the A10. In the meantime Schmidt definitely can run a game from the sidelines and is keeping things together. The worst that could happen is someone gets banged up and we get thinner. If everyone stays healthy, by February we will be a dangerous team, particularly at home. That is why in the future you will see a better OOC schedule. Also as an aside. To start in on the freshman players 11 games into the season makes no sense. The expectations from recruits on this board is blown way overboard. These guys had solid high school careers but were not All Americans. They seem coachable and are working hard. They are the future and will bring us back to respectability. All D1 programs rely on the guy who develops once they hit the right system. Haley must be doing something right because he looks like a 4 year starter at this point. Elleby at 6'3" is big enough to play 2 positions and seems to be developing his role. Morgan is finding playing time and making the most of it. Cook will benefit from his year off and the article in the BV shows that. I see a nucleus of 4 guys who we can build with. I can remember Jim Baron, Essie Hollis, Greg Sanders, Glen Hagen and alot of other guys as freshman and they showed promise but were young. When they were seniors they were all great players and having 4 years together were considered one of the best teams in the East. Maybe history will repeat itself.
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Post by mh05 on Dec 16, 2007 21:13:53 GMT -5
Z is the John Starks of Bonnies hoops. Inconsistant. When he is off, like last nite, he absolutely kills us. When he is on twice a year, he contributes, no doubt. 3-16 from the field, and 0-11 from three. Really? He shot us out of the d**n game, plain and simple. Hate to choose like you said, but Ill take Tyler Relph and his consistancy any day.
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Post by SBU STUD MUFFIN on Dec 16, 2007 21:23:12 GMT -5
Even on Relphs worst night he is not going to go 0-11 from three point land. ARE YOU SERIOUS? That is just awful and completly uncalled for.
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Post by GoPadres on Dec 16, 2007 22:39:19 GMT -5
I will probably regret jumping into this thread, but here goes:
In my humble opinion, the combination of Relph and Z is just not on par with the quality guards that have played for Bonas in the past. Think of the great Bona guard combinations in the last 25 years. Would you take Relph and Z over Jones and Clark, Vanderpool and Richards, Winn and Capers, Winn and Bremer, Bremer and Green or Green and Gansey? How do they rank with the likes of Houston, Burnett, Anderson or Singleton?
The greatest oddity of the Schmidt era thus far has been his ability to sign big men (Cook, Morgan, Carter, Simmons, Nicholson and Thomas are all 6'8" or taller) and not guards. He desperately needs to get Eleby and Matthews some help next year.
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Post by Bonas08 on Dec 16, 2007 23:31:04 GMT -5
Give Z a break, the kid is playing on an injury, busting his balls every game. Relph also has been playing on an injury. Both would be better if they had time to heal, but given that they contribute too much to the team, we need them out there playing, even if it does result in lower performance; its better than the next alternative, or they wouldnt be out there.
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Post by mainetrain on Dec 17, 2007 9:35:19 GMT -5
"Z is the John Starks of Bonnies hoops"
... Haha I like the comparison.
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Post by steveperry on Dec 17, 2007 13:01:03 GMT -5
I was also going to start a thread similar to this, but i haven't been on a computer in a couple days. The bottom line is this Z is totally worthless and if you think otherwise you've either never seen him play or your a total basketball nitwit.
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Post by spils84 on Dec 17, 2007 13:44:44 GMT -5
I was also going to start a thread similar to this, but i haven't been on a computer in a couple days. The bottom line is this Z is totally worthless and if you think otherwise you've either never seen him play or your a total basketball nitwit. Mr. Perry: You misspelled 'you're' in the above comment. Sincerely, Basketball Nitwit
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Post by sneakers on Dec 17, 2007 14:28:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure what would motivate a poster to attack any Bonas players that are trying their best. Did you all have a bad day and feel better by posting anonymous attacks on a message board? Do you realize that these Boards are sometimes read by players, the families of players, potential recruits and the families of potential recruits. How do you think posts like these look to those folks?
Do you think it is a positive draw to SBU that several immature posters rip on players that may not meet their expectations? IS this what a player is buying into if they accept an offer to play at St. Bonaventure?
It's one thing to criticize a specific thing that has happened. That is one of the purposes of Board like this. However, it is unacceptable to call a player "totally worthless" or "the worst player in America" or "a laughing stock". It's doubly cowardly to do so while hiding behind a made up anonymous screen name.
I'll not even get into what I think of a person who puts down another by saying that they are worth less than a person with down syndrome. That is totally unacceptable and only points to the extreme ignorance of the poster. A person that would post such a thing should be banned from this Board as it is a waste our time to read the posts and they reflect poorly on the school and the program.
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Post by clubhouse on Dec 17, 2007 14:41:21 GMT -5
Anybody ever hear of a program not getting a recruit because the recruit didn't like the messages he read on the internet? Isn't that taking it a little bit overboard?
From now on we should only post pictures of sunshine and rainbows. That will make everyone happy and we will get all the best players.
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Post by bonniefan on Dec 17, 2007 15:04:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure what would motivate a poster to attack any Bonas players that are trying their best. Did you all have a bad day and feel better by posting anonymous attacks on a message board? Do you realize that these Boards are sometimes read by players, the families of players, potential recruits and the families of potential recruits. How do you think posts like these look to those folks? Do you think it is a positive draw to SBU that several immature posters rip on players that may not meet their expectations? IS this what a player is buying into if they accept an offer to play at St. Bonaventure? It's one thing to criticize a specific thing that has happened. That is one of the purposes of Board like this. However, it is unacceptable to call a player "totally worthless" or "the worst player in America" or "a laughing stock". It's doubly cowardly to do so while hiding behind a made up anonymous screen name. I'll not even get into what I think of a person who puts down another by saying that they are worth less than a person with down syndrome. That is totally unacceptable and only points to the extreme ignorance of the poster. A person that would post such a thing should be banned from this Board as it is a waste our time to read the posts and they reflect poorly on the school and the program. Once again, Sneakers proves himself to be one of the most intelligent posters on this board (along with Fox, Chuck and wgt). I can never understand all of the criticism of players and other memebers of the Bona's community that takes place here. Do we all have to agree at all times? Of course not. Should we all respect the players on our team, busting their humps through injuries? Yes. Should we all be respectful of other posters? Yes. It one thing to comment about someone's play (i.e, Eleby needs to work on securing the ball). It's another thing to say they are worthless. The only ones that should criticize Z and Relph are the ones that can step up and take their spots on the squad. After all, I've NEVER heard a recruit come to the school predicting any accomplishments. Any expectations they fail to deliver on are someone elses, not theirs (at least not publicly).
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Post by sneakers on Dec 17, 2007 15:07:24 GMT -5
Clubhouse
I knew I probably shouldn't post on this thread as it would be mischaracterized by more anonymous cowards, but all it takes is silence by the majority to allow the minority to ruin things.
I never said anyone should only post about sunshine and rainbows. If there is a specific criticism, by all means post it. But these post calling people "totally worthless" or comparing people to handicapped people is not constructive. To have to take sides that one player is worth less than another, is not constructive. Both are needed, and both are giving their all.
You never know why a recruit selects a particular college. I think if someone in my family was offered an athletic scholarship by a college I would go to their message board to get an idea of what kind of people support (or not) the team. Wouldn't you? It might not be the deciding factor, but first impressions mean a lot.
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Post by bonniefan on Dec 17, 2007 15:20:26 GMT -5
Anybody ever hear of a program not getting a recruit because the recruit didn't like the messages he read on the internet? Isn't that taking it a little bit overboard? From now on we should only post pictures of sunshine and rainbows. That will make everyone happy and we will get all the best players. And none of us here should forgot what negative posts on message board can contribute to. We don't need to be pollyannas, just aware.
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Post by steveperry on Dec 17, 2007 15:41:26 GMT -5
Thanks Spils for pointing out my grammar mistake and not posting a legit response to my post. I didn't know that you had to approad bandwagon posting like you would a term-paper.
As for not being able to rip players for their poor play even if they're busting their humps, you can't be serious. I invest the time to watch the games and when a player wastes my time by playing the way Z has been I have every right to to say he's "worthless." Hell, in my opinion I'd be lying if i claimed he had any value whatsoever. Don't make our guys out to be softies that bust their humps and deserve only praise, the kids go to school for free to play the game they grew up loving. For the record I still think Z is worthless, explain the value in 6 points, 2 assists, 3-16 (0-11 for 3) and 1 steal in 35 minutes??? It's not like he's a shutdown defender.
P.S. I'd also like to note that while Z took 16 shots he managed to get to the line exactly 0 times. I guess J.J. Redick lean-approach that Ham mentioned earlier isn't working out for him.
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