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Post by B02 on Jan 15, 2009 13:01:06 GMT -5
I just can't believe some of the people who post on here. It just seems like a broken record sometimes visiting this site. Bonaventure has not reached 10 wins since 2003 i believe and now we have people calling out the coach. No offense to you clubhouse and the rest of the negative posters, but you really bring the board down. Its a rebuilding process, rebuilding means you will have some games that are good and some that are bad. This board used to be great for recruiting information, alumni gatherings, post-game discussion. Now its full of people who love to post pictures, inside jokes, and degrade the coaching staff. Also, its one thing to post messages behind a handle, but when you hide behind a handle to feel you have the right to personally attack someone its a whole other issue. Can we all agree that we have to be patient. It wasn't too long ago that many on here said they would happy if one day we got to double digits well guess what we are there.
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Post by RochesterBonnie on Jan 15, 2009 13:28:33 GMT -5
Amen! Couldn't have said it better!
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Post by ceharv on Jan 15, 2009 13:58:51 GMT -5
Agree 100%, and with therc's "calm down" below. IMHO, we are seeing failings exactly where you would expect to see them where the top players are all either new or young - the lack of leadership - hell no one playing major mins has been with the program long enough to become a real leader - that takes time, and is usually the result of off-season work. Remember Marques Greene's parting comments a few years back about how critical off-season work is. That's when team leaders develop. Point guard is the toughest postion to learn and get good at - Eleby's half-way thru his second D-1 season, Blackburn his first, and there's been no one with experience to show them how it's done. The passing is poor - again, inexperience in playing together. Knowing where someone will be on a break or after a move, or the position he likes to shoot from, comes from playing together over a lot longer then what this group has had. Better shooting will follow when guys start getting good passes. In terms of building program continuity, this is really year one - and the level of competition has just had a huge increase. And for those who want to give up on some of the underclassmen, thru his first 3 yrs at Duquesne, Aaron Jackson was a middling guard at best. As a junior, he averaged 9ppg, 3.4 apg, and he shot 24% from 3 - no where near his all-A10 play this year - 18ppg, 6.2 apg, 42% from 3. Let's give these guys the chance to gain some experience at this level and with each other, and see what they're like as juniors and especially seniors. And Schmidt's abilities as a coach will not be really known until he starts having teams with all 4 classes filled, preferably with 4 year players.
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Post by wgt on Jan 15, 2009 14:02:21 GMT -5
Stop being so rational B02.
We all recognize that Nicholson is a special player & want more minutes for him. Schmidt recognized this long before any of us saw his talents displayed & made some bold predictions before he ever played his first Div I game. Last night, Nivins experienced first hand the potential that Andrew has & was unable to have his way with him. After the frustration of watching the first half & our inability to make the easy bucket opportunities our offense provided, the bright spot was The Professor outplaying the A10s big man. I couldn’t wait to see how the second half would play out between our frosh big guy & their senior A10 POY candidate. As we all know Andrew only saw 8 mins of court time & we missed that opportunity. Consequently, the board has been very critical of Schmidt’s decision to sit him much of the half. I was very disappointed in not seeing them battle but certainly not in the Coach’s decision..
Schmidt has 3 1/2 seasons to develop this 18 year old into possibly the best center in the A10. As a frosh if he enters the 2nd half & stops doing what he knows he must do & told to do, coach is simply validating that he doesn’t have to listen & implement what he was coached to do. Andrew simply did not do what he was told to get the ball as he did in the first half. Coach was also displeased with how he was positioning himself defensively against Nivins & pulled him after an easy score where Nivins had Andrew so deep he was almost off the court.
We all have heard from coach that it will take “baby steps.” But we really don’t want to hear that. After years of frustration & non competitive teams of course we want it NOW, I wanted it last night.
Benching Andrew in the second half will pay big dividends in the long term & I believe that he is intelligent to realize that. I can’t wait to see the return matchup.
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Post by triple302 on Jan 15, 2009 15:21:08 GMT -5
I do understand people being upset at the last 2 games. The lackluster play was awful to watch. But B02, wgt, and ceharv bring up great points about how young and inexperienced this team is. Pointing out problems in a performance and ridiculing an entire group of kids are 2 very separate things. I am not willing to chalk Eleby up for dead yet. He still has time to develop that confidence that he is missing. Things are only bound to get better as coach brings in decent freshman recruits to go along with a few juco guys. Lets not forget that he had to put this team together very quick, and to be where we are at, his commendable. If we still see these same performances in a year or 2 with guys not hustiling and no court leadership, then we know we will have a problem. Until then, lets take the bad and enjoy the good times that are bound to appear this year once the students are back from break. I can only think that with some of the emmotional players on this team, that will help a great deal.
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Post by bonasfan on Jan 15, 2009 15:28:39 GMT -5
Why is it such a big deal that Nicholson got benched? He obviously wasn't playing to coach's expectations. Maybe this will send a message to the whole team that they need to do better. This is off topic but look what happened when Andy Reed benched McNabb. The team woke up and started playing like a team.
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Post by jmp on Jan 15, 2009 16:52:49 GMT -5
Have some of you lost your minds? I try to read this board and look for insightful , realistic, and knowledgable talk on the Bonnies and have to read F Schimdt and other nonsense. We started league play with a strength of schedule ranking of #323. We won 10 games, but anyone who knows a basketball from a football knows we beat no one. Sure we beat Rutgers and lost to Miss. St. in a close game. As I mentioned before Miss St. lost 5 games after they beat us. In many of the games we won we hung on or made some foul shots at the end to win against inferior talent. What does it all mean? We arent very good yet either! We are in the second year of a good coach, who I wouldnt trade for any other coach in the A10. We are what we are suppose to be and that is better than last year. What that translates to in wins we will have to wait and see. I remember a post about rating the players season so far. I wonder how those ratings look after two A10 games. Our guys are better than last year fellas , however we are still in the bottom 4 or 5 in the talent dept. Our record will reflect that. As others have stated , relax and enjoy the upgraded product that we see and trust in a coach that knows what it takes to be successful and will get us there eventually. But to have a turnaround of major proportions this soon after the Solomon debacle is unrealistic.
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Post by clubhouse on Jan 15, 2009 17:26:21 GMT -5
...No offense to you clubhouse and the rest of the negative posters, but you really bring the board down. Its a rebuilding process, rebuilding means you will have some games that are good and some that are bad. This board used to be great for recruiting information, alumni gatherings, post-game discussion. Now its full of people who love to post pictures, inside jokes, and degrade the coaching staff..... Let me try this again.... When have I posted pictures? When have I posted inside jokes? When have I degraded the coaching staff? Seems to me that if you are going to single me out, at least do it for something I have done.
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Post by wgt on Jan 15, 2009 19:39:25 GMT -5
clubhouse….I agree with B02s comment that certain negative posts do detract from the integrity of Bona fans sharing comments primarily about Bona hoops. That said, valid criticism should always be welcomed although not necessarily agreed with.
Having read your posts I have never seen you criticize the coaching staff nor individual players. In fact you have been supportive. Your post in the “Things I Know” thread stated your passion for Bona hoops which I believe is shared by all that post on the Bandwagon. You do have a thing re: guns & a poster you refer to as Randy or St Randy or is it Locke? You also have displayed an affinity to jab at sneakers who you might refer to as Keds. I have never seen you post pictures.
I think I have at least three things in common with you. Belief that Marques was comparable if not superior to Tim Winn, a prediction of 11 wins this season & a passion for Bona. There are some posters who focus on & magnify our deficits & add little to the board except their whining. Those are the posters I believe B02 is referring to. I certainly don’t regard you in that category. Your most recent post regarding a DC recruit is a perfect example of bringing good input to the board. Needless to say I was pleased to read it because we sure must improve our PG play.
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Post by 4thdev on Jan 15, 2009 19:53:32 GMT -5
Yes....SBU can win when playing creampuff out of league teams. Let's face facts that SBU is a borderline D2 school.
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Post by tomangelone on Jan 15, 2009 20:00:21 GMT -5
Yes....SBU can win when playing creampuff out of league teams. Let's face facts that SBU is a borderline D2 school. I hope this is sarcasm rearing its ugly head. If not, then just shut up.
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Post by portpasses on Jan 15, 2009 20:42:19 GMT -5
Belief that Marques was comparable if not superior to Tim Winn...... Now there is a topic for an offseason. I fall firmly on the Green being superior side, but I'm sure Winn has his supporters.
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