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Post by jmp on Jan 22, 2009 18:41:27 GMT -5
The more games we are playing in the A10 the more disappointed
I am becoming with Jonathan Hall. His laziness on the def. end
combined with his foolish passes on penetrations and inablility
to finish around the basket are reasons we have so many empty
possessions. He's always banging his chest saying my fault. I
dont know why he is given so many chances. His numbers have
fallen off dramatically. His line drive foul shooting is a video on
how not to shoot a foul shot!
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Post by wgt on Jan 22, 2009 20:39:15 GMT -5
jmp....Your disappointment may be due more to recent memory of his X game than all 5 A10 games. Once A10 play began one would expect some drop off, from OC performances. This is true for Hall but his drop off is minimal in spite of his game against the very best in the A10. X crowded the middle, knowing we are not a threat from the perimeter (bottom of A10 in treys). Hall & Blackburn are our only two effective penetrators. With Ray out, X knew to close the lanes every time the ball was in Jonathan’s hands. This took away his main asset, going to the hole & scoring, drawing the foul or dishing off.
Hall was averaging 13.9 ppg prior to the A10 games & was 13.3ppg after the first four A10 games. Coming out of the X game he dropped to 11.8ppg. Few teams will hold him to 6 points as did X, but Ray’s absence will be a factor. He is shooting .431 in A10 play & averaging 3 assists a game, which matches his OC assist #s. His rebounds have dropped from 6.1 to 5.2.
He is still making adjustments to Div I. He has taken only 1 trey in conference play compared to 21 in OC play. No doubt due to his poor .238 showing in OC games.
His poor FT shooting certainly can be criticized & that has been equally poor all season. That’s really puzzling because in HS he made them at 86%. His locked kneed, upper body only release is not pretty to look at, especially with all the misses. However he has made them in pressure situations.
Bottom line, I don't see his numbers dropping off dramtically except for the X game. Hate to think how we would be without him.
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Post by mangham on Jan 22, 2009 21:00:29 GMT -5
In most of our close victories, Hall has taken the game into his hands and delivered. Remember the Richmond and Bucknell games to name two. They weren't that long ago.
To me, Hall has been one of the pleasant surprises. Keep things in perspective.
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Post by keplerjd on Jan 22, 2009 21:15:43 GMT -5
In most of our close victories, Hall has taken the game into his hands and delivered. Remember the Richmond and Bucknell games to name two. They weren't that long ago. To me, Hall has been one of the pleasant surprises. Keep things in perspective. And lets not forget Rutgers, when he was by far the best player on the court... |
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Post by B02 on Jan 22, 2009 21:38:14 GMT -5
Hall is not a disappointment, he's just a little inconsistent. He's a guy who wants the ball at the end and you have to love him for that. Although I agree there are moments where you want to scream because he makes a play that makes no sense.
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Post by jmp on Jan 23, 2009 7:37:15 GMT -5
wgt- I agree that his numbers havent fallen off drastically, but his play against the better,
quicker teams is suspect. Defensively he has become lazy, and his man is killing us on the
offensive glass. A good defensive player can play good D away from the ball as well as keeping his man in front of him, Hall can do neither. Watch the action away from the ball,
particularly Hall and you will see what I mean. On the offensive end he has to protect the
ball better, especially in traffic where he leaves his feet and is out of position to make a
decent pass for a teammate. His 56 To's and 58% shooting from the foul line are not
numbers we want from someone who is a go to guy. With Ray being out he has to make
better decisions with the ball.
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Post by tomangelone on Jan 23, 2009 10:10:54 GMT -5
wgt- I agree that his numbers havent fallen off drastically, but his play against the better, quicker teams is suspect. Defensively he has become lazy, and his man is killing us on the offensive glass. A good defensive player can play good D away from the ball as well as keeping his man in front of him, Hall can do neither. Watch the action away from the ball, particularly Hall and you will see what I mean. On the offensive end he has to protect the ball better, especially in traffic where he leaves his feet and is out of position to make a decent pass for a teammate. His 56 To's and 58% shooting from the foul line are not numbers we want from someone who is a go to guy. With Ray being out he has to make better decisions with the ball. I tend to agree with jmp on a number of his points. In particular, Hall has had a terrible time on the defensive end since his ankle injury in Rutgers. His feet look slow and it's as if he can't keep anyone in front of him. Good, quick wings in the A-10 have just been blowing past him off the dribble. The observation about Hall's off-the-ball defense is accurate, too. I've noticed this problem with Matthews, too. To me, Mike Davenport should see a little more time if only to help out on the defensive end. That kid battles through screens, sprints off the ball, and goes toe-to-toe with his man. |
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Post by wgt on Jan 23, 2009 11:37:48 GMT -5
jmp…In total agreement that Hall must reduce his TOs which number 4 per game in A10 play which is similar to his OC play. However he has team’s 2nd most assists in conference play & closely matches Eleby’s A/TO ratio, in spite of taking the ball far more aggressively into heavy traffic for points & dishes. Also agree that his D has faltered. Maybe tomangelone's suggestion that the Rutgers ankle injury may be a factor. When he went off the floor at the RAC I never expected to see him return. His ankle was taped up 5 feet in front of me & I can say there was not much swelling at the time. As we all know he did return & had an immediate impact on the game.
Out of necessity & due to good play Davenport is seeing more mins (almost 16mpg in Conference play) & his D & rebounding (especially the 3 off boards at Rose Hill) have contributed. What is most amazing about Michael’s game in A10 play is that he has a phenomenal A/TO Ratio of 5:1. For a frosh, still struggling with schemes, he is really taking care of the ball & play making. Davenport does play with great intensity but to compare his intensity to Hall may be unfair because Hall plays more than double his minutes, banging with bigger guys inside, & has since the start of the season.
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Post by jmp on Jan 23, 2009 12:32:20 GMT -5
Sitting behind the Bona bench at the X game I got a first hand display on why Michael gets
the pull out of games. After a timeout Coach drew up the out of bounds play(one where
Eleby had a TO)and Michael went the wrong way. Coach's exact words were " I just drew it up
for you ". On another offensive set Michael did not rotate when we run that weave set, and
stood in the corner which allowed a double team and a Bona TO. Hopefully he eliminates the
mistakes and continues to make the most of his minutes. I am a fan of his and look forward
to good things from him as he matures. Remember the kid who buried the 4 3's against us
the last game, Michael was guarding him on the first two which caused Schmidt to call a
time-out and slam the clipboard down in disgust because he gave him too much room. As a
player you have to understand who you are guarding and whether or not you can leave
your man to help out on dribble penetration. He still struggles with that aspect of his game.
I know the guys were aware the kid could shoot(AVG 37 ppg in H.S.),as soon as he came into
the game Asst. Coach Moore was on his feet hollering "shooter,shooter".Another example of
the coaches preparing the team properly and players not executing. These our the types of
little things coach talks about that our guys aren't consistent about.
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Post by Chuck on Jan 23, 2009 13:02:29 GMT -5
Hall is the star of this team, which is proven by him dominating the team's stats. Hall leads the team in scoring, assists and steals. He is 2nd in offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, overall rebounding and blocks. He is also 3rd in shooting field goal percentage. His dominating stats are even reflected in the A-10. Jonathan is the only player in the A-10 listed among the conference leaders in all of the following categories:scoring (17th) rebounding (17th) field goal % (9th) and steals (14th). As for the criticisms of his defense and rebounding. I've never notice Jonathan being a poor defensive player. He does have more problems with quick players, such as against Niagara, but he seems to give a solid effort. Jonathan leading the team in steals, would suggest he is hustling on defense. Recently there has been a lot of criticism of the team's defense, but this is not supported by the stats of A-10 teams. In conference games the Bonnies are 6th in field goal % defense, 5th 3 point field goal %, and 8th in rebounding margin. The lone negative defensive stat is the Bonnies are 10th in scoring defense. This can be attributed to the Bonnies fast pace game, where they are 7th in scoring. Bonnies stats were completed against the better teams in the A-10. Overall conference record of Bonnies opponents is 14-7. Problem with this team is shooting and not defense. atlantic10.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/confonly.htmlgobonnies.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html |
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Post by wgt on Jan 23, 2009 13:51:50 GMT -5
My least favorite coach, Martelli, often says in his post game interviews that the #s don’t lie as he scans the stat sheet. Thanks Chuck for providing information that counters some perceptions cited on the Bandwagon critiquing our D especially after a loss. Defenses try to double down & trap in situations to get a steal or TO. It will leave perimeter players open for a good look if it fails. It is a risk/reward situation that most teams take. Consider that only 4 A10 teams make more steals than us. In spite of our capacity to make steals we are #6 in defending opponents treys at a .341. That’s not at all bad.
Our greatest lack in shooting comes from beyond the arc where we are dead last, hitting at a paltry .308 rate & by far the fewest # of treys made. Of course our FT shooting is at .659 putting only two teams worse than us. We are getting better though shooting almost 70% in conference games. Last year we were #1 from the stripe. Inside the arc our shooting is adequate.
Thanks for the #s Chuck. They don't lie.
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Post by B02 on Jan 23, 2009 15:57:18 GMT -5
I would like to see college do what the nba is doing these days which is +/- just like hockey. This is a good stat to determine how players on doing on offense/defense because there are no stats that show good defense. There is more to individual defense than just blocks and steals.
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Post by Chuck on Jan 24, 2009 11:19:04 GMT -5
My least favorite coach, Martelli, often says in his post game interviews that the #s don’t lie as he scans the stat sheet. Completely agree with you WGT "numbers do not lie." Here are the defensive numbers from Solomon's last team and they were a bad defense. In conference games they finished ranked in the following defensive categories: scoring defense 14th, field goal % defense 13th, 3 point field goal defense 11th, defensive rebounds 13th, and steals 12th. Solomon's teams were horrible on defense and it is reflected in the numbers. Solomon's defensive numbers are last or near the bottom, while Schmidt's defensive numbers are mostly in the top half. As the numbers reveal the team is playing much better defense than they are being credited. atlantic10.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/confonly.html |
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Post by B02 on Jan 24, 2009 11:39:56 GMT -5
No one is saying Bonaventure isn't playing good team defense overall, many including myself are saying that are just some lapses that need to be corrected and I am sure they will be as the team continues throughout conference play.
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Post by tomangelone on Jan 24, 2009 12:20:04 GMT -5
No one is saying Bonaventure isn't playing good team defense overall, many including myself are saying that are just some lapses that need to be corrected and I am sure they will be as the team continues throughout conference play. Exactly. Truly, I feel our team defense has improved beyond any of my previous expectations. However, there are lapses. Anyone who focuses on Hall or Matthews can see them not only get beat off the dribble too consistently, but they are far too willing to go underneath screens and settle for switches. Personally, I am convinced that Hall is still struggling with that ankle. |
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