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Post by ericsiegrist on Jan 30, 2009 16:39:49 GMT -5
I dread every time I see him head to scorer's table to report, we lose all momentum when he comes in...
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Post by pete on Jan 30, 2009 16:52:41 GMT -5
the guy hasn't played well, no question. but lets remember he is still a soph and piling on now does nothing to improve the situation. I think coach should have his staff spend as much time with Eleby as he wants. there is potential but no polish.
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Post by adolphlottin on Jan 30, 2009 18:18:26 GMT -5
Right on Pete.
A lot of the same people who are ripping the students for not standing by the team and going to games are also showing blatant lack of support for one of the team's players. Sounds hypocritical to me.
You're either a fan or you're not. Support the team and all it's players or don't.
Eleby may suck, but besides possible harm, what is pouting about it on a message board going to do? Absolutely nothing.
He sucks. We get it. I don' t think there's any more to add to the discussion.
Why don't we support him because the team is going to need him here in the last nine games.
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Post by bonabum06 on Jan 30, 2009 23:25:09 GMT -5
Eleby averages less turnovers than. . ..
matthews, hall, and blackburn.
I snap as bad as anyone but take a step back.
let's see what happens saturday.
edit to add: Malcolm also leads the team in avg steals.
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Post by bonaballa1 on Jan 30, 2009 23:38:18 GMT -5
Eleby averages less turnovers than. . .. matthews, hall, and blackburn. I snap as bad as anyone but take a step back. let's see what happens saturday. edit to add: Malcolm also leads the team in avg steals. "care"? the others you mentioned can actually score and offset their turnovers in other ways. Malcolm can't score, his shot is GROTESQUE, he can't dribble, he can't pass, he can't shoot free throws, he certainly can't come through in the clutch (vs Miss St he took a 2 when we needed a 3, Fordham he misses a wide open layup) basically- Malcolm is a monstrosity. and see what happens Saturday better mean that Malcolm is riding pine.
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Post by bonaballa1 on Jan 30, 2009 23:39:12 GMT -5
I dread every time I see him head to scorer's table to report, we lose all momentum when he comes in... agreed. there are 3 players that make me cringe whenever they check-in: Eleby, Benson, and Carter.
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Post by wgt on Jan 31, 2009 0:27:52 GMT -5
Bonabum06.…All want to see Malcolm succeed & I am pleased you point out his ability to make steals. He leads the team in that category, but quite frankly it has been his only consistent strength all season. He had greatly improved his TO rate from last season but sadly he has been regressing in conference play where in fact he has the most TOs on the team. The more troubling issue is his lack of assists & inability to score. His A/TO ratio is an anemic .69. This is a precipitous fall off from his performance in the OC schedule. Matthew’s 2.14 & Davenport’s 1.65 A/TO ratios dwarf Malcolm’s effectiveness in this measure of a PG. He works so hard and dealing with his struggles must be incredibly frustrating & overwhelming. He wants to win so bad. I loved his coming to the Bona fans (along with Benson) behind the bench after the Rutgers win giving high fives to the Bona faithful. I hope he can put the Fordham game behind him and improve his play. I do like Malcolm BUT I also hope that Grease starts clocking more floor time than Eleby starting against the Dukes.
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Post by clubhouse on Jan 31, 2009 0:56:14 GMT -5
At times I think people assume these guys are pros, when in fact, they are young men still learning the game. Eleby didn't write his press clippings. Eleby didn't cause everyone to expect the world of him. Sure he has made a lot of mistakes but I'm not throwing the towel in on him yet. He was sheltered last year by Relph and this year the spotlight was thrust upon him. That is a difficult situation for most soph PGs. Sure some may perform better but that's no reason to openly state you don't like the guy. Considering all of the new players this year, being a PG is the hardest position to handle so he's going to make mistakes. I'm not making excuses for his play because he has played worse than many would like but lets not quit on him just yet. He's clearly going thru a tough time right now, and while I think any D-1 athlete is open to criticism because it comes with the territory, I think some statements might be a bit harsh on a soph PG with so many new players. His confidence is clearly lacking but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still pull for him. This was a learning year anyway and just like the fans, he seems frustrated with his level of play. I'm glad to see it hurts him as well. I'd be much more concerned if he acted as if it didn't bother him.
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Post by jmp on Jan 31, 2009 8:03:03 GMT -5
I thought the reason for the this forum was to discuss our team and express our opinions. We are not making any personal attacks, just looking at the overrall play of Malcolm. You cant have it both ways. Any coach or student of the game knows that Malcolm is in over his head against A10 competition. You can use any stat you want, but he is NOT a point guard and will never be one at this level. There are so many other variables that come into play when deciding if a guy can play the point that dont show up on a stat sheet. Being able to start the offense correctly. Hitting the right man and the right time for a shot. Making good, strong entry passes into the paint allowing your big men to score. Understanding what defense the other team is in and where the weaknesses are. Making shots when you are open. Dribble penetrating to cause double teams and finding the open man......on and on and on. Steals and TO"S are part of it yes, but only a tiny fraction of what it takes to play the position. You either have it or you dont, it is a mindset, almost a built in instinct, not something that you learn in 2 years!
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Post by sneakers on Jan 31, 2009 8:59:27 GMT -5
If you don't think there are personal attacks, you aren't reading very closely. The heading of this topic is a personal attack. The team's losses sure do result in a loss of class by a lot of posters.
Eleby is a Bonnie. Support him.
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Post by ddsmugs on Jan 31, 2009 10:27:53 GMT -5
Malcolm please come out next game and prove us naysayers wrong. Lets all remember the big picture he may not be getting better on the hardwood but he becoming a better man while attending Bonas.
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Post by adolphlottin on Jan 31, 2009 14:06:02 GMT -5
If you don't think there are personal attacks, you aren't reading very closely. The heading of this topic is a personal attack. The team's losses sure do result in a loss of class by a lot of posters. Eleby is a Bonnie. Support him. Sounds like the same posts you made in defending Solomon for 4 years. I agree the personal attacks are extremely regrettable, especially the title of this thread. But I understand the frustration watching Malcolm on the court. I didn't say that I didn't understand the frustration. I completely understand it. I do however disagree with the Solomon comparison. There's quite a difference in piling on a 42-year-old man who is being paid very well to do a job and a 20-year-old kid who is obviously in need of a pick me up. These are some harsh words. So Eleby is not as good as we all would like. That doesn't mean we have to throw him under the bus. As I stated earlier, it will do no good anyway. A groundswell of support against Solomon might have helped lead to his firing. We can't fire Eleby. He's going to be here no matter what for the final nine games plus. That's why I was saying, "Why don't we just support him?"
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Post by sneakers on Jan 31, 2009 18:01:01 GMT -5
If you don't think there are personal attacks, you aren't reading very closely. The heading of this topic is a personal attack. The team's losses sure do result in a loss of class by a lot of posters. Eleby is a Bonnie. Support him. Sounds like the same posts you made in defending Solomon for 4 years. I agree the personal attacks are extremely regrettable, especially the title of this thread. But I understand the frustration watching Malcolm on the court. I haven't said a word in defense of how Malcolm or anybody else plays. The point of my post was that we don't need all the personal attacks on one of our own players who is working his butt off to get better. You, and others, have repeated your Eleby observations multitudes of times on this thread and others. We get it! Malcolm may never live up to your expectations or those of others on this board, but enough is enough as far as criticism goes. "Frustration" is not a valid reason for adults to attack a 19 year-old kid who they think has "disappointed" him. This sour-grapes thread is now four pages long and growing and nothing new is being said. It's like a broken record full of negativity and hate. Furthermore, it is not just Eleby that gets attacked here. It is Benson, Carter, Hall, Mathews, Cook, and just about anyone other than Nicholas and Davenport, that puts in a sub-par game or who is deemed not to be contributing enough. I'm sure when the parents and family members of our current recruits come to this site they get really psyched about having their kid play at Bonas and be subjected to all this negativity. I'm not saying there should be no criticism. Say it once, fine. But harping on it is not helping in the least and may in fact be harmful to the program. We know what we have for the PG position for this year. Deal with it.
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Post by Bona84 on Jan 31, 2009 18:42:55 GMT -5
I would say Malcolm is the biggest disappointment since the scandal. Chuck, you have got to be kidding. I generally have a lot of respect for your posts, but this comment is pretty extreme. Hey, I think we would all like to see better results, and the early record has clearly raised expectations. But, the personal attacks are most unfortunate, particularly when directed at a 19 or 20 year old kid playing the most difficult position on the court, who clearly has the desire, and, it appears, the work ethic, to try to improve. Go Bonas
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Post by Chuck on Jan 31, 2009 18:56:49 GMT -5
Bona 84 you and Sneakers are right. There is no need to continue with the criticisms. I admit to being wrong and tried to delete the post. In my defense I was responding to Bonabums post who had stats, I disagreed with.
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