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Post by mikebossy22 on Feb 11, 2009 11:19:40 GMT -5
No, az63 is right. Your job as a voter is to rank the to 25 teams in the country, not the top 24 and then reward some scrub school with a taste of national exposure for playing well in a crappy league.
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Post by az63 on Feb 11, 2009 11:21:20 GMT -5
res,
Good point. Shouldn't pick on Feinstein. I'm venting!!! I just hate to see guys "giving away" a vote or, worse yet, voting for a team in their conference that is not deserving just to prop up conference & computer rankings. Happens mostly in college football where votes really matter in BCS standings. Steve Spurrier is notorious for his "anti" votes based on his dislike of a team or coach.
For my information, why does Feinstein have a vote? I didn't think he was a college basketball columnist or really involved with college hoops at all anymore?
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Post by res on Feb 11, 2009 11:36:53 GMT -5
He's a commentator on Navy games, I'm seen him on some other telecasts. He still follows the game closely.
On, and Mike, if you could post the job criteria the AP hands out, it would be interesting to read them. The sanctity of college basketball could be at stake.
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Post by res on Feb 11, 2009 13:24:37 GMT -5
az63, I was wrong about Feinstein. He is indeed a Navy commentator but on their football broadcasts, not basketball.
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Post by adolphlottin on Feb 11, 2009 14:34:15 GMT -5
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Post by mikebossy22 on Feb 11, 2009 15:46:55 GMT -5
Give me a break res. You trying to say your job as a voter is to vote for whoever you want?
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Post by res on Feb 11, 2009 16:43:57 GMT -5
Yes and no, but regardless they all do. Many of the voters have particular agendas, as az63 alluded to concerning the football poll. The rest have their own biases just as we all do. Many, if not most, have biases that lean towards the big 6 leagues. A lot of these guys think the A10, Mountain West and Conference USA are, using your term, crappy leagues and vote accordingly. They will make an exception for the occasional Memphis, Gonzaga or X, but only after they've established themselves as successful programs for several years running.
As biases go, I don't think Feinstein's is that bad. He's a relative friend to the mid-majors, and no matter how much we fight the term, that's what the A10 is to most voters. It certainly has no affect that I would consider remotely consequential. It doesn't affect who gets in the tournament and it doesn't affect who wins the tournament. Sorry for the sarcasm in my earlier post, but I just think that this whole thing is the proverbial tempest in a teapot and can't figure out by it would bother anyone a whit. The polls are something that people like to argue over, and I don't deny it's fun when a team you root for is ranked, but at the end of the day they just aren't that important. Just my opinion, of course.
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Post by mikebossy22 on Feb 11, 2009 16:52:20 GMT -5
I diasagree again. The polls ultimatly do play a part. Everyone always brings up the "they beat a ranked team" argument at the end of the year when it comes to determining a teams' quality wins. You can't honestly tell me the SEC won't suffer on selection Sunday because of the drought it's going through in terms of not having any teams ranked. A streak that will probably continue if LSU loses tonight aa the Gators were poised to enter before losing in Lexington last night. Not being ranked hurts in the end. Honestly who, besides the eventual SEC Tourny champ (and probably LSU), who you feel confortable giving a free pass into the tourny out of that conference this March? X and probably Dayton will most likely get at large bids if niether wins the A-10 based simply on the fact that they have been among the top 30-35 teams in the country in the voters' eyes all year.
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Post by jpschmack on Feb 11, 2009 16:53:30 GMT -5
There's no formal list of responsibilities for a voter. It's just like the NCAA Selection committee or the MVP award in baseball.
The top 25 voters, just like the NCAA Selection Committee, holds no distinction between picking the BEST teams vs the MOST-DESERVING teams.
There IS a difference. The team with the most talent who's the "best" doesn't always win. And as the other thread proved today, virtually anyone can lose to anyone, so the whole "A beat B, who beat C" thing doesn't work.
The voter putting Robbie Mo 25th is rating their SEASON more than their team. If I had a vote, It'd put Siena number 25. Ahead of Texas. Do I think Siena would beat Texas? Probably not. but I think Siena's season to date is better than Texas' season to date.
Texas has beaten an overrated UCLA team, A Wisconsin team that has nine losses, an Oklahoma State team with nine losses (at home).
Siena is 19-6. 6-4 vs the top 100 of the RPI. Texas is 16-7, 7-7 vs the top 100.
Siena has a couple bad losses, like a 2-point loss at #136 Rider. But Texas does too, a six-point loss at #100 Arkansas.
"But Siena hasn't played anyone!" you say. They played the #4 hardest non-conference schedule. and the #61 overall toughest schedule. Which is hard because the MAAC isn't that good.
Texas played the #93 non-conference schedule.
Siena lost by seven at Kansas and by no more than 14 to Tennessee and Pittsburgh, all away from home. We'll see how Texas does at Kansas
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