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Mar 24, 2009 15:56:16 GMT -5
Post by jpschmack on Mar 24, 2009 15:56:16 GMT -5
Groups of teams will vote in a block... Xavier and UD always vote alike; and add Duquesne (who's AD came from X). Ours worked at UD, so you could see the four of us in that situation say "no Horizon, MAAC or Robert Morris." SLU and Charlotte would probably be on that side as well.
Just like the Philly schools are going to team with Fordham to say "No Hofstra, Drexel, or NY/NJ/Philly area schools."
Which means Butler and George Mason would have the votes.
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Mar 24, 2009 16:51:32 GMT -5
Post by njbona02 on Mar 24, 2009 16:51:32 GMT -5
I do not see the league expanding to 16 teams. Expanding at this time does nothing to help the league. Even adding teams like Butler and George mason. 14 teams is plenty. If I am correct the only league with 16 teams is the Big East.
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Mar 24, 2009 17:24:19 GMT -5
Post by room109 on Mar 24, 2009 17:24:19 GMT -5
Its so unlikely, that it will ever happen, there is no need to even make it a topic. End of discussion. ( just get rid of SLU )
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Mar 24, 2009 18:13:46 GMT -5
Post by clubber on Mar 24, 2009 18:13:46 GMT -5
Charlotte will be leaving in the near future, they will be starting football and are looking to go BCS. Depending on who you talk to, SLU would like leave the A-10 to join the MVC. The last time the A-10 expanded GW and others wanted Boston U. but X and Dayton got their way with SLU. Temple wanted full membership in the Big East but were blocked by Rutgers.
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Mar 24, 2009 19:05:37 GMT -5
Post by davejohn on Mar 24, 2009 19:05:37 GMT -5
Charlotte will be leaving in the near future, they will be starting football and are looking to go BCS. Depending on who you talk to, SLU would like leave the A-10 to join the MVC. The last time the A-10 expanded GW and others wanted Boston U. but X and Dayton got their way with SLU. Temple wanted full membership in the Big East but were blocked by Rutgers. Honestly, I think the most likely scenario in the long run will fall somewhere in this area. Charlotte is obviously vying for D1-A football, so I'd imagine they won't be long for the league. It's also alleged that St. Louis has realized that the travel toll in the A-10 just doesn't make sense for the school. They have MVC written all over them. From there, we'd be right back where we started with the 12 Atlantic 10 schools. There's always speculation that Fordham might go back to the Patriot League, but we'll probably stay as we are in the long run. To me, that's our best configuration.
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Mar 25, 2009 6:30:30 GMT -5
Post by bigdobber on Mar 25, 2009 6:30:30 GMT -5
If we lost St. Louis and Charlotte I like the idea of Siena and Hofstra. We need to develop the New York area. Hofstra would be an ideal fit because it would elevate the coverage of the A10 in a market that gets no penetration. Fordhams penetration goes no further than Rose Hill and really needs to build a facility for the current era. The Rose Hill gym should be replaced. Siena would be an asset for any league because they are becoming a Gonzaga type program in the eyes of the media. Hofstra has a new facility, and sits next to the Long Island Coloseum which is probably being torn down and rebuilt in the next 3 years. The jump to the A10 for both programs would attract the better player and probably put some stability in the Siena coaching carousel. We don't need another Ohio or Pennsylvania program and I think Charlotte and St. Louis don't set up geographically well for us. Personally I think the MAAC is a league that is going nowhere and Siena could do better. Hofstra is a school that has an enrollment of 10,000 plus and could also use the A10 for football. They are opening a medical school and are very progressive with plenty of money. They recruit well locally in football and would probably be able to do well as an A10 basketball program. Butler in Indiana belongs in a midwest conference in my opinion and Cleveland State does nothing for us. I think nothing happens for a few years.
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Mar 25, 2009 7:55:57 GMT -5
Post by no1stunna on Mar 25, 2009 7:55:57 GMT -5
This whole discussion got me thinking, and sometimes bad things happen when I think.
Why does the Atlantic 10 have 14 teams?
AND
Why does the Big Ten have 11 teams?
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Mar 25, 2009 8:36:30 GMT -5
Post by triple302 on Mar 25, 2009 8:36:30 GMT -5
Have to agree that expanding is a terrible idea. 12 seems to be a good number. Adding more teams would just water down conference play and make it harder for "bubble teams" in the A10 to get recognized.
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Mar 25, 2009 9:35:07 GMT -5
Post by jpschmack on Mar 25, 2009 9:35:07 GMT -5
Charlotte will be leaving in the near future, they will be starting football and are looking to go BCS. "in the near future" is going to take some time. They still haven't actually added football, and then they have to transition to Division I (which takes four years).
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Mar 25, 2009 12:21:17 GMT -5
Post by Bona84 on Mar 25, 2009 12:21:17 GMT -5
If we lost St. Louis and Charlotte I like the idea of Siena and Hofstra. We need to develop the New York area. Hofstra would be an ideal fit because it would elevate the coverage of the A10 in a market that gets no penetration. Fordhams penetration goes no further than Rose Hill and really needs to build a facility for the current era. The Rose Hill gym should be replaced. Siena would be an asset for any league because they are becoming a Gonzaga type program in the eyes of the media. Hofstra has a new facility, and sits next to the Long Island Coloseum which is probably being torn down and rebuilt in the next 3 years. The jump to the A10 for both programs would attract the better player and probably put some stability in the Siena coaching carousel. We don't need another Ohio or Pennsylvania program and I think Charlotte and St. Louis don't set up geographically well for us. Personally I think the MAAC is a league that is going nowhere and Siena could do better. Hofstra is a school that has an enrollment of 10,000 plus and could also use the A10 for football. They are opening a medical school and are very progressive with plenty of money. They recruit well locally in football and would probably be able to do well as an A10 basketball program. Butler in Indiana belongs in a midwest conference in my opinion and Cleveland State does nothing for us. I think nothing happens for a few years. While there are some good arguments for Siena and Hofstra, if Charlotte and St. Louis leave the A-10, I would prefer that we stay at 12 members, and go back to the two division format. This format atleast allowed for home and homes against those in your division, which was great for building rivalries and conference play excitement. 14 members and the "pod" scheduling method waters down the rivalries, and leads to scheduling imbalances.
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Mar 25, 2009 14:09:39 GMT -5
Post by jpschmack on Mar 25, 2009 14:09:39 GMT -5
The whole premise of the A-10 adding Charlotte and Saint Louis was the expected breakup of the Big East after five years together (They didn't split in 2005 because they only had 11 teams, and one group would no longer qualify as a conference, lose their NCAA money, and have to wait five years for an NCAA auto bid).
The BE football schools actually WANTED to break up, but the presidents could not in good conscious, basically screw over the basketball schools. The compromise was to go to their 16-team format, and in five years, they will have two groups, 9 football and 7 hoops, and can decide to split in the future.
The A-10 (Bruno was a Trangese disciple) knew that if the BE split was coming in five years, they'd get raided (probably Xavier and Dayton, maybe as many as three more). So the A-10 added two schools, built a relationship with them, and will have a more stable league in the future if they get raided.
However, the Big East 16-team format is kind of working. And of the 6 ADs who said in the BE Football meeting in 2003 that they had "no interest" in the 16-team format, only four are left (SU's AD resigned and BC was in these meetings because the ACC invited Va Tech and Miami; thanks to the Virginia gov't influence over Virginia's vote).
The big question is "Is the 16-team format working?" and who would want to leave it?
Syracuse probably would welcome a split (because they got left out of the dance twice). South Florida, Rutgers and Cincinnati would probably want to split because right now they have no shot at making the NCAA tournament. Pitt, UConn, West Virginia and Louisville (13 NCAA bids in four years between them) could go either way. It's not harming them in basketball at all, but football drives the train so to speak.
New Big East commish John Marinatto (former Providence AD) stressed there would be no split within the conference, but there are also no plans for expansion.
So it appears they're stable. But the NCAA moratorium on new conferences expires in the summer of 2011, so the next two years are when it could come up.
What we'd want to hope for, is a year in which the Big East gets bids from Nova, GTown, Marquette, Notre Dame, and just two of the UConn/SU/Louisville/Cincy. That might kick-start the discussion.
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Mar 25, 2009 18:59:49 GMT -5
Post by clubber on Mar 25, 2009 18:59:49 GMT -5
JP, If Charlotte has not added football yet then why are they selling Seat Liceces for their opening season in 2013. Is the actual start-up tied into the selling of a certain # of seats?
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Mar 25, 2009 20:28:51 GMT -5
Post by bonaman2013 on Mar 25, 2009 20:28:51 GMT -5
If anything, we should make the confrence smaller not bigger.
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Mar 26, 2009 10:11:38 GMT -5
Post by jpschmack on Mar 26, 2009 10:11:38 GMT -5
JP, If Charlotte has not added football yet then why are they selling Seat Liceces for their opening season in 2013. Is the actual start-up tied into the selling of a certain # of seats? That's exactly what I mean.... 2013 is their opening season... and it takes four years before you can become a DI-A FBS program. Which means they are in the A-10 until at least 2017-18.
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