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Post by bjif on Nov 18, 2009 15:14:47 GMT -5
I have kept my mouth shut for a couple years on this subject but it is beyond belief that a Division 1 team can't be in the 75% range on free throws.
Having coached the game for many years, shooting, any type of shooting is mechanics and the creation of muscle memory similar to the repetition a golf swing requires. The shooter must be square to the basket including shoulders, hips, and feet. The shooting elbow must be vertical and close to the body. Will somebody on staff please look at FILM!! It doesn't do a damn bit of good for someone like Chris or Marcus to shoot 500 shots a day if the same mechanics are wrong.
All shooters have a rhythm and that is created by being comfortable and confident. I don't see this in any of our guards. Frankly it won't be long before teams start packing it down low because they know our guard rotation either can't shoot or won't shoot.
My choice is to watch Conger and Davenport versus the point guards and Chris. The entire release point of the latter group is hell to skelter.
It is correctable, and this team has heart and ability and will continue to improve. Mr.Associate Head Coach please start studying film as I believe this is your job.
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Post by magnusbu on Nov 18, 2009 15:24:59 GMT -5
Yes mechanics play a big role in shooting, but so does confidence and repetition. Someone with less than perfect mechanics that is both confident and repetitious can be a better shooter than someone with perfect mechanics that lacks confidence. It takes time to change and perfect a shooters mechanics when they are in college, then you have to build their confidence which may never happen after changing their mechanics. so as I have confused everyone you can see how complicated something as cut and dry as changing shooting mechanics can become. Now is definitely not the time to try this. In the offseason early in their career is a much better time. And I believe that has to be on their own.
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Post by garf on Nov 18, 2009 15:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by jh on Nov 18, 2009 15:39:20 GMT -5
I dont think the BJIF poster was implying to start it tomorrow as much as asking is this being done at all right from freshman year on in the offseasons?
John Belein is huge on teaching mechanics and as a result each of his teams from Canisius to Richmond to Michigan could shoot and make their free throws
The college 3pt line is not that far - its hard to find a team that goes an entire game making only 1...
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Post by Hermit on Nov 18, 2009 16:08:47 GMT -5
you don't teach shooting in college....you recruit it....
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Post by Hermit on Nov 18, 2009 16:13:23 GMT -5
also.....if some of our players could....."hit the three"....have 6 assists a game...with 2 turnovers..average 11 pts a game....well...they's be playing for Syracuse
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Post by wgt on Nov 18, 2009 17:02:34 GMT -5
Free throw shooting is a topic, which it appears, many have an unrealistic perception of.
For the past 50 years FT shooting percentages have stayed unchanged in college & NBA. We have seen many changes in the game from 2 handed set shots to long shorts (sounds strange) to the three point shot but the accuracy of FT shooting has not changed during this period. The average for college is 69% & the NBA is 75%. Last year the Div I schools shot 68.8%. The average has never dropped below 67% & never exceeded 70% for the NCAA Div I. It has been an amazing constant that may help to put this discussion into perspective when criticizing our Bonnies.
garf & Hermit make good points.
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Post by pepp on Nov 18, 2009 18:21:09 GMT -5
I've always thought they should hire Dave Durkin as shooting coach. I've read some of his memo's and the guy is dead on and knows what he is talking about.
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Post by bjif on Nov 18, 2009 18:27:29 GMT -5
Sorry to disagree guys but as a coach you are constantly teaching and correcting flaws no matter if it is CYO or the NBA.
If you see a mistake(s) you correct it if you can regardless of what stage of development you are dealing with.
Bill Bradley once said that he learned more technique from Red Holzman after a stellar career at Princeton than his entire former basketball career.
I do agree that the player has to want to make the change and all the difficulty that transition entails. My point was reflecting on how many times we have been told Malcom lives in the gym and practices endlessly. What is the result if the technique is wrong, and how can you ever build confidence without game success?
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Post by wgt on Nov 18, 2009 20:44:57 GMT -5
bjif....Agree that coaches must address basic flaws in shooting but feel most good shooters come to Div I with those skills in place and just require countless reps to improve. There are exceptions.
Last year at the exhibition game Whitey Martin (Bona 61 NY KNICKS 62) told me that Andrew had his lead foot at a 45% angle to the FT line, which he felt was a flaw in his set up. At the Gala Dinner the following night he pointed it out to Andrew. Andrew continued to improve from the stripe over the course of the season but his foot remained at that unusual angle.
It may surprise some, that there is little correlation between free-throw percentages and winning percentages. Usually only one or two of the best FT shooting teams are in the top 25 rankings.
That is why, despite accounting for more than 20 percent of scoring in men’s college basketball, free throws receive a fraction of the attention from coaches & players. That is, until it can be pointed to as a cause of a loss (Red Storm last night?). Case in point is Memphis in 2008. They went an incredible 38-2 while converting only 61% of their FTs. But it came back to bite them in the Championship, missing 4-5 in the final 72 secs to allow Kansas to beat them in OT.
FT shooting is certainly an important factor in winning but there are so many others & Mark and company are working on them all.
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Post by mikenice on Nov 19, 2009 20:53:03 GMT -5
also.....if some of our players could....."hit the three"....have 6 assists a game...with 2 turnovers..average 11 pts a game....well...they's be playing for Syracuse Kind of a loser post.  |
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Post by adolphlottin on Nov 19, 2009 21:30:45 GMT -5
We have a guy who led the nation in FT pct. his senior year on the coaching staff. Hopefully he's working with some of the guys
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