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Post by bonniesareback on Nov 23, 2009 15:34:06 GMT -5
Jourdan Morris was in one box score, for a game against a Division III team. He is a below average Division I recruit, and his inability to get playing time at High Point just shows how bad our recruiting was and how far it has come in three years.
Just want to point out a couple of things with the Eleby discussion. Eleby is out of the floor because he is a great defender. Everybody focused on the missed free throw at the end of the St. John's game, missing out on the fact that we would have never been in that situation had it not been for a great defensive play. In addition, his assist to turnover ratio has been better. He would be the perfect reserve point guard, but for now, he is our best option at starter. Ogo is more offensive-oriented, but we need Eleby's defense at this point.
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Nov 24, 2009 1:15:08 GMT -5
Eleby has very little to do with the fact we're a winning club since the start of last season, nor is he even an average A-10 PG. It would be easier argued that we'd win more if we had simply an average PG and that he's one of the worst PG's in the A-10. Us winning with him as the PG is more of a coinscidence than anything - somebody had to be there, and we'd be winning with a lot of people at the point. His coach has looked high and low for a PG to supplant him, bringing in two JC PG's the last two years, a redshirt freshman this year and signed a freshman for next year. Malcolm Eleby, by A-10 standards, is a poor point guard.
Put it this way, Dijuan Harris, Jio Fontan, Melquan Bolding, Kwamain Mitchell, Juan Fernandez, London Warren, Rob Lowry, Dante Jackson, Mark Lyons, ... need I continue?
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Post by Copenhagen on Nov 24, 2009 1:56:50 GMT -5
It appears that the last Sol's recruits and recent transfers which include Coach's first last minute recruiting class & transfers:
- A.J. Hawkins - Jeff Foote - Jourdan Morris
- Dante Taylor
- Matt Morgan - Hillary Haley
- Mo Thomas - Ray Blackburn
- Dequan Cook - Malcom Eleby
have not been impact players, (except A.J. Hawkins last year at SBU). All of the transfers out for the most part have been easily replaced and arguably upgraded
Looks like the 2 that stayed might turn out to have the best careers either in terms of playing time, personal stats and/or W-L record.
The only exception I would say is Jeff Foote at Cornell, has he picked a great basketball and academic fit for himself? and getting the most out of it.
Does the roster turnover trend continue? Would it make sense to bring back LLewis back next year if he doesn't work his way into the rotation? Would it be in Jake's best interest to take the Jeff Foote route? Especially if the coaching staff has other recruits in the wings ...
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Nov 24, 2009 2:53:41 GMT -5
For the record, neither Maurice Thomas nor Ray Blackburn were Solomon recruits.
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Post by Copenhagen on Nov 24, 2009 3:07:27 GMT -5
For the record, neither Maurice Thomas nor Ray Blackburn were Solomon recruits. who said they were?
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Post by Chuck on Nov 24, 2009 7:32:26 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, Eleby has faced too much criticism. He may not be a star. Eleby isn't a great play-making guard or a scorer but he does a few things well. He can get in the lane. He uses his size well defenisvely and he's versatile, having also been used as an off guard. Plus, he's a leader. We forget about intangibles. There's obviously a reason Schmidt puts him on the floor. Agree with the above. Eleby still struggles with his shot as the stats reveal, but as Lottin points out Malcolm brings a lot of intangibles that are not in the box score. Such as Malcolm has been playing solid man defense (leads the team with 5 steals). I'm not suggesting steals necessarily equates to solid defense, but it is one of the intangibles mentioned by Lottin. Unlike last year Malcolm has become a more aggressive pg, by taking the ball to the basket. He has a respectable 10 assists to 6 turnovers. Again unlike last year Malcolm has done a solid job breaking the press. He has not committed a turnover against the press this year and this was a problem for him last year. Prior to the start of the season, I believed Ogo would be the better point guard. After 3 games Malcolm is clearly the best point on this team. Along with Da'Quan he has made dramatic improvements in his game. Playing pont is much more than shooting shooting stats. As Lottin points out Malcolm brings a lot of important intangibles, which has helped this team with their impressive start.
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Post by Copenhagen on Nov 24, 2009 8:25:18 GMT -5
Have to like/love our current sophomore class:
- Nicholson - Davenport - Cook - (McGloster)
as all 4 could or should be in the starting lineup next year as juniors.
Then you have a potentially good to great frosh class:
- Simmons - Congers - Roseboro - House
that hopefully will get some significant minutes this OCC and 2 or 3 extend there minutes as end of the rotation role players into the A10 games so they are poised to join the rotation next year or maybe even challenge for a starting position.
plus the incoming guys:
- Agee - Carter
the foundation has been laid!
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Post by mcspin on Nov 24, 2009 8:38:19 GMT -5
Prior to the start of the season, I believed Ogo would be the better point guard. After 3 games Malcolm is clearly the best point on this team. Along with Da'Quan he has made dramatic improvements in his game. Playing pont is much more than shooting shooting stats. As Lottin points out Malcolm brings a lot of important intangibles, which has helped this team with their impressive start. I agree that we don't have a lot of options other than Eleby at this time, but to say his improvement has been "dramatic", seems to be a bit of a stretch. My opinion is that his improvement has been steady, but less than adequate. I completely agree that intangibles can be very important, but I don't see much of those either. He does protect the ball and is a pretty good defender, but he doesn't see the court well, does not find the open man like he should and doesn't create many opportunities. The intangibles are where I see he is lacking considerably. For a guard that flat out can't shoot, it's important to have all of those intangibles, not just a couple.
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Post by wgt on Nov 24, 2009 11:36:51 GMT -5
Comparing Malcolm to Ogo. Ogo’s play is about where I thought it would be just 3 games in. He has a lot of adjusting to do but I feel his play will show steady improvement over the course of the season. There will be times when he will take 2 steps forward & 1 back. After 3 games it his difficult to compare his play with that of Malcolm. It is interesting to see that he has slightly more playing time than Malcolm, more points & a better FG%. He has a knack for drawing fouls (a valuable intangible) & is 80% from the line. Malcolm doesn’t get to the stripe a lot & struggles converting. If he improves, as I believe he will, our team turnover rate & A/TO ratio will be improved over last year. Already we have seen improvement in both these areas. I hope that trend continues.
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Nov 24, 2009 12:08:56 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, Eleby has faced too much criticism. He may not be a star. This is what he is: From every account, he is the hardest working player on this team, a leader by example. He was a team captain last season as a sophomore. How often does that happen? Furthermore, Schmidt has brought in two jucos who have been unable to take minutes from eleby. Ogo has a chance, but through three games he seems like an average pg. Until, someone shows they're dramatically better, who gets the minutes? Eleby isn't a great play-making guard or a scorer but he does a few things well. He can get in the lane. He uses his size well defenisvely and he's versatile, having also been used as an off guard. Plus, he's a leader. We forget about intangibles. There's obviously a reason Schmidt puts him on the floor. Excellent post. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Post by jh on Nov 24, 2009 12:49:59 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, Eleby has faced too much criticism. He may not be a star. Until, someone shows they're dramatically better, who gets the minutes? Eleby isn't a great play-making guard or a scorer but he does a few things well. He can get in the lane. He uses his size well defenisvely and he's versatile, having also been used as an off guard. Plus, he's a leader. We forget about intangibles. There's obviously a reason Schmidt puts him on the floor. Unfortunately those are the 2 most important things we need a PG to do(make plays & shoot well). I like Malcolm and like how he really works hard. I've always suspected that a kid like Malcolm practicing hundreds of shots a day doesn't improve - it could be he is simply perfecting/reinforcing his existing poor form and not being taught properly where you would see an improved shot over time - even if its at the FT line rather than 3pt line
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Post by GoPadres on Nov 24, 2009 17:17:00 GMT -5
Eleby has very little to do with the fact we're a winning club since the start of last season, nor is he even an average A-10 PG. It would be easier argued that we'd win more if we had simply an average PG and that he's one of the worst PG's in the A-10. Us winning with him as the PG is more of a coinscidence than anything - somebody had to be there, and we'd be winning with a lot of people at the point. His coach has looked high and low for a PG to supplant him, bringing in two JC PG's the last two years, a redshirt freshman this year and signed a freshman for next year. Malcolm Eleby, by A-10 standards, is a poor point guard. Put it this way, Dijuan Harris, Jio Fontan, Melquan Bolding, Kwamain Mitchell, Juan Fernandez, London Warren, Rob Lowry, Dante Jackson, Mark Lyons, ... need I continue? If Schmidt has searched high and low for a point guard to supplant Eleby, then why have none of the 3 other point guards he has signed (Blackburn, Ogo or Agee) ever supplanted Eleby? Does that mean Schmidt is a poor recruiter? Or does it mean that Eleby is doing what coach expects of him?
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Post by Chuck on Nov 24, 2009 17:18:25 GMT -5
Some overlooked facts about Malcolm's game this year: 1. Malcolm leads the team in free throws attempted with 13. Last year Malcolm was a just a distributor, who did not take the ball to the basket. As reflected by him leading the team in free throw attempts, Malcolm is aggressively taking the ball to the hoop and is getting fouled. The problem is Malcolm's poor shooting at the line. 2. Malcolm leads the team in assists (tied with Chris with 10 assists). Unlike Chris who gets his assist from being able to see the entire court, Malcolm has been getting many of his assists off drives to the basket. This is the description of a play maker, a player who creates open looks for his teammates. Last year Malcolm was not a play maker. This year he has been. 3. Malcolm is shooting 36.4% from the field, which is not the worst shooting percentage among the starters (Chris is shooting 31.6%). There is not much difference in Malcolm and Ogo's shooting from the field, in fact they are almost identical. Both have made 4 baskets, with Malcolm attempting 1 more shot. One more miss is the only difference in their shooting from the field. Last year I thought Malcolm was a borderline D-1 level point guard. This year he has dramatically improved his game. He has gone from a passive distributor to an aggressive pg, who takes it to the basket and creates shots for his teammates. Ogo has also been solid in taking it to the basket and creating open looks for others. Agree it has been only 3 games, but I like what I've seen so far. If only he could improve his stroke. Agree with Malcolm's critics, his foul shooting is inexcusable. www.gobonnies.com/sports/m-baskbl/2009-10/files/teamcume.htm
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Nov 24, 2009 19:01:00 GMT -5
Sorry, Chuck, but Eleby's improvement has been far from "dramatic," and I wish people would stop using that word. Cook and Davenport, both of whom have far less experience than Eleby, have shown more considerable improvement than Malcolm, and I wouldn't call theirs dramatic.
More accurately, Eleby's improvement can be characterized as modest, slight, slow or gradual, which is the opposite what you imply.
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Post by Copenhagen on Nov 24, 2009 20:14:46 GMT -5
speaking of looking back/thinking out loud; wonder if DHollis was a HS senior now or last year would he have given us more consideration? or if he knew now how the GW and SBU programs would progress since his senior year would he still have picked GW?
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