jacob
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Dec 22, 2009 23:19:00 GMT -5
Post by jacob on Dec 22, 2009 23:19:00 GMT -5
Is anyone else starting to wonder about Coach Schmidt? It is great that he is not Solomon, but that is not enough. There is no reason we should have lost to this team. We blew a 21 point lead. In the 2nd half the players were lost and Schmidt was also. Give me a game where Schmidt has outcoached someone? I am not calling for his head or anything like that, but we need to not lose this type of game. Players need to do their part, but so does the coach.
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Dec 23, 2009 0:51:12 GMT -5
Post by capamerica on Dec 23, 2009 0:51:12 GMT -5
no this was the players... with a little help from the officials.... that lost this game. The team is still rebuilding. There are still a number of pieces to put in place (such as point guard!) in the future.
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avonfan
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Dec 23, 2009 1:30:40 GMT -5
Post by avonfan on Dec 23, 2009 1:30:40 GMT -5
What I don't like or understand about Schmidt is this constant frown on his face toward a player he questions during timeouts and can't seem to "let it go". Skip Prosser was in a word his mentor, and I don't remember Skip using such a tactic to coach a kid. Yes, you can chew a kid out, but do it and move on. Don't sit there frowning at the player, basically making the player feel he's let the team down. I am dissapointed by this loss. I was there and saw a Niagara comeback that was "officially" aided, but a comeback nonetheless. I saw Mahalik high five-ing his players as he exhorted on their play. Did they make mistakes? Sure, but I saw their coach instructing constructively what should be done next, not wallowing in the past. Having said all that, I think Schmidt has done a great deal for our program and has brought in some very good athletes. I also attented the Syracuse game and was pleased with the effort with and without Andrew. Toward the end tonite, after another timeout and probably a tongue lashing, Eleby tried to rally his teammates as they took the court for the last minute of play. Our team looked demoralized and yes, probably brought on themselves, but I think coach may have played a role too.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 1:38:09 GMT -5
Post by keplerjd on Dec 23, 2009 1:38:09 GMT -5
I agree Avon with Schmidt's somewhat negative impact during games. I always laugh to myself when I can predict the instant a player makes a mistake that he will turn on a dime, prowl the bench and grab someone else to run out there.
Last year was the worst and he has gotten better I suppose, but it still happens all the time. Malcolm throws the ball away? Next timeout he gets run for Ogo. Ogo makes a bad pass? Let's see if Malcolm has learned his lesson.
I don't understand coaches that NEVER celebrate or congratulate their players and Schmidt is certainly one of them. I know these players don't need a sippy cup and a pat on the back, but I can say without a doubt the constant threat of benchings and the icy stare they usually get doesn't positively motivate them.
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b4uno
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Dec 23, 2009 4:59:55 GMT -5
Post by b4uno on Dec 23, 2009 4:59:55 GMT -5
Coach was responisble for this lost. He made no adjustments at all. He had no idea how to stop their run. Why not go into a zone? The players are playing like they are afraid to make a mistake and it is costing terrible turnovers.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 7:10:10 GMT -5
Post by mcspin on Dec 23, 2009 7:10:10 GMT -5
Coach was responisble for this lost. He made no adjustments at all. He had no idea how to stop their run. Why not go into a zone? The players are playing like they are afraid to make a mistake and it is costing terrible turnovers. Are you saying he played against these little speed demons man-to-man the whole game? (I wasn't there).
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jacob
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Dec 23, 2009 8:10:29 GMT -5
Post by jacob on Dec 23, 2009 8:10:29 GMT -5
I am not an expert on coaching techniques, but I do know that this team should not have lost to Niagara. However he does it Schmidt needs to step up his game. I still support him, but it is time for results. Every coach has their different styles, Schmidt has his, which I have no problem with. It boils down to "just win baby".
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Dec 23, 2009 8:24:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 8:24:49 GMT -5
This is on Schmidt, PERIOD! Vinny Del Negro has been crucified for blowing a big lead. It's time for the captain of this ship to take a little responsiblity!!! What I don't understand is when Conger or Simmons or Roseboro makes a freshmen mistake he immediately turns to the bench, but when Hall (who has been much better then last year) or Matthews (who couldn't guard a statue) makes a bad pass, nothing. Coach, how is those Frosh supposed to learn if everytime they make a stupid play you yank them? If it was me I'd be playing NOT to F' up. For me, the honeymoon's over, time to win and stop blame the mess he inherited or the lack of talent. You had more talent then NU last night but were out coached!!!
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pepp
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Dec 23, 2009 9:32:45 GMT -5
Post by pepp on Dec 23, 2009 9:32:45 GMT -5
Coach, how is those Frosh supposed to learn if everytime they make a stupid play you yank them? Part of coaching is teaching and everyone has their own style. It's like some on here think coach should use kid gloves and pamper these guys. He pulls them out and tells them what they did wrong and how to correct it. Lets them know they need to play smarter. What is wrong with that. This isn't 2nd grade hoops where you blow a whistle to stop the game so the coach can explain it right then and there. Maybe he tongue lashes them because they continue to make the same dumb plays over and over. Believe me, it gets old watching it in the stands, I can't imagine how frustrating it is for the coaching staff.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 10:02:53 GMT -5
Post by bartmitchell on Dec 23, 2009 10:02:53 GMT -5
Still trying to recover from last night's loss. Niagara is a good, well-coached team, but we have to start beating them and Canisius if we aspire in the future to be considered in the upper echelon of mid-majors. I think Schmidt is a very good coach, but agree he bears some of the blame for the debacle that was last night's second half. We seem to have a distressing tendency to be bipolar. One game we look like world beaters - the next game , sad sacks. Or even a first half where everything clicks, and a second half where they do very little right. Every team has it's ebb and flow, but it's become too much of a problem with us.
The other issue is that, as someone posted elsewhere, we are not as talented as we (I) thought. This is not intended to be a knock our players, who I believe are practicing hard, working out diligently and 'mostly' playing hard, all of which counts for a lot in my book. But the most essential ingredient is talent, and we still have a lot of holes, starting with our backcourt. We still do not have an "A" level A10 point guard. For all of his hard earned improvement, I don't think Eleby is yet a solid "B". Our guards have trouble defending quickness, they don't create the way you would like and they don't shoot well. Perhaps most importantly, they don't/can't control the game. When things start to go down the crapper, they can't get the game back under control. And sometimes they add to the madness.
Nothwithstanding our high shooting %, (which I think should be greatly attributed to Schmidt's offense) we are a poor shooting team. We need a few guys on the court who can consistently hit 15 - 18 foot jumpers. Davenport and Conger show signs, but not consistently. Maybe if Schmidt's leash on young players was not so short ? After Andrew, we are very limited up front. I love Hall's heart. But, is it just me, or does the kid often get the quietest double-double you've ever seen ? Cooke's effort and performance have both improved, but he doesn't compare favorably to anybody's starting A10 4. Simmons and Rosie will help in time, but will they become at least B+ A10 players ? That's what we need in at least a few spots on the floor to make big strides forward. Andrew is our go-to guy.... until he get's his quick 2 fouls and a seat, and then has to play defense with one hand behind his back when he get's fouls # 3 and 4. I thought he was doing a better job playing smart this year, but he's backslid lately. Coach must stop the madness with our "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.." performances. But until we recruit a point guard on par with the best in the A10, and our next Ahmad Smith, Marquis Green, Kevin Houston, J.R. Bremer, etc., who wills us back into games when the opposition goes on a run, or the rest of the team suddenly falls apart for 10 minutes, our progress will be of the slow, incrimental variety.
In the meantime, let's win as many as we can with what we've got and not give any wins away.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 10:35:29 GMT -5
Post by hartford on Dec 23, 2009 10:35:29 GMT -5
I am troubled with this loss and it also has me (unfortunately) wondering about Schmidt, too. You simply cannot let a lead like that slip away. If we're blaming poor officiating then you gotta get out there and stand up for your players. Schmidt and Solomon never took a T for the team the way Baron would.
The past three years we've seen many games where we play well for only 20 minutes. Of course, in the prior regime we played well for 5 minute stretches...
It's time to tip our cap and admit that Mihalich is our Daddy.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 10:56:08 GMT -5
Post by pete on Dec 23, 2009 10:56:08 GMT -5
I think it all boils down to the lack of a winning culture at SBU. We need our players to exhibit the " I am the man" attitude in these competitive games.
Nicholson, unfortunately, now has the tag of talented but foul prone and that is going to follow him around until he learns how to be in the game for 30+ minutes.
In addition, we cannot afford to have mathews in the game chucking up low % 3's.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 12:36:53 GMT -5
Post by DerekBrower on Dec 23, 2009 12:36:53 GMT -5
A couple of things I questioned in last night's game:
1) Nicholson (granted due to foul trouble), Matthews, Hall, and Eleby all on the bench during stretches in both the first and second half. When Nicholson goes out due to foul trouble, Matthews and Hall cannot both be on the bench at the same time.
2) No zone, of any kind?
3) When Niagara was going on there huge run, why wasnt Hall more involved in the offense? No plays seemed to be drawn up for him, and he didnt ever seem to command/go get the ball.
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Schmidt
Dec 23, 2009 13:19:15 GMT -5
Post by Bona84 on Dec 23, 2009 13:19:15 GMT -5
I think it all boils down to the lack of a winning culture at SBU. We need our players to exhibit the " I am the man" attitude in these competitive games. Nicholson, unfortunately, now has the tag of talented but foul prone and that is going to follow him around until he learns how to be in the game for 30+ minutes. In addition, we cannot afford to have mathews in the game chucking up low % 3's. Mathews was 2 - 4 from 3 pt range, and is shooting 47.5% from behind the arc for the year. His 3 pt shooting is not the issue. While he generally takes care of the ball well, last night he did not. But, I'd like to see him be more than one dimensional on offense - drive to the hoop maybe, get to the line. He would thrive at the line.
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Dec 23, 2009 13:43:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 13:43:49 GMT -5
Coach, how is those Frosh supposed to learn if everytime they make a stupid play you yank them? Part of coaching is teaching and everyone has their own style. It's like some on here think coach should use kid gloves and pamper these guys. He pulls them out and tells them what they did wrong and how to correct it. Lets them know they need to play smarter. What is wrong with that. This isn't 2nd grade hoops where you blow a whistle to stop the game so the coach can explain it right then and there. Maybe he tongue lashes them because they continue to make the same dumb plays over and over. Believe me, it gets old watching it in the stands, I can't imagine how frustrating it is for the coaching staff. The same mistakes over and over? Who, Jon Hall, Chris Matthews, Malcolm Eleby? Sure as hell not Conger or Simmons. They don't get a chance, as soon as Conger threw the ball away when he trapped in the corner against SU he was pulled. Chris Matthews continues to shoot 28 footers and no one tells him to stop? Hall for two years has made questionable decisions and has never once been sat. In fact, we all may remember Schmidt coming to his defense after the St. Louis game when he said something to the effect, maybe now you will understand why Jon Hall is in the game. In the first half yesterday, the Bonnies extended their lead after Andy left, Conger played a very efficient game during that stretch. Did he even see the court the second half? For two years it's seemed to me that he has been relucant (or unable) to make any in game changes. NU was on fire in the second half, did he once just try something different? Just to give them a different look? I sit across the court from the bench, I have yet to see him go down the bench to someone he has just pulled and talk to them, scream at them as they walk by? YEAH. Give them a dirty look? SURE. I understand that this is still not the most talent team. Really, I understand that. But last night, without Benn, even on the road, this should have been a win. PERIOD!
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