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Post by bonaman2013 on Dec 23, 2009 12:17:53 GMT -5
After watching last night's game, I am one who definitely prefers Malcolm to Ogo.
Why?
Malcolm.
-Better defender.
-Better ball handler.
-"Smarter" with the ball.
-Terrible shot, but better finisher around the rim because of his big body.
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Post by DerekBrower on Dec 23, 2009 12:40:46 GMT -5
I dont know why Eleby takes so much heat on this board. Granted, his shot selection hasnt been great, but he's currently 3rd in the A10 in assists (4.5 per game) and 10th in the A10 in Assist/TO ratio (50:32).
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Post by mcspin on Dec 23, 2009 15:07:57 GMT -5
I dont know why Eleby takes so much heat on this board. If you actually watch him play and ignore his stats (they can be very misleading), you'd know he just isn't a high caliber guard. Not the type that Bonas is known for. He's not terrible in some aspects, but is absolutely abysmal in others. Last night he was flinging shots from everywhere - which he has no business doing. He's one of the worst D1 guards at shooting I've ever seen and should stick to bringing the ball up the court, looking for a pass to make and driving for the occasional layup. Ogo is no prize either, but does offer a bit more in some areas. Compare our guard play to the guard play of the teams we've lost to and it becomes quite obvious what is missing here. It's just natural for those on this board to point out our weak areas and hope we can make changes - whether it be that guard improving or a new one taking over. Bonas guard play is a weakness right now and has been for a few years. If you don't think so, then you're seeing something I'm not. |
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Post by Chuck on Dec 23, 2009 15:26:30 GMT -5
If you actually watch him play and ignore his stats (they can be very misleading), you'd know he just isn't a high caliber guard. Not the type that Bonas is known for. He's not terrible in some aspects, but is absolutely abysmal in others. Last night he was flinging shots from everywhere - which he has no business doing. He's one of the worst D1 guards at shooting I've ever seen and should stick to bringing the ball up the court, looking for a pass to make and driving for the occasional layup. Ogo is no prize either, but does offer a bit more in some areas. Compare our guard play to the guard play of the teams we've lost to and it becomes quite obvious what is missing here. It's just natural for those on this board to point out our weak areas and hope we can make changes - whether it be that guard improving or a new one taking over. Bonas guard play is a weakness right now and has been for a few years. If you don't think so, then you're seeing something I'm not. Agree with most of your post. Malcolm's shot is horrible, which is reflected by the stats. 34% from the field and 17% from 3's is not good enough for a starting A-10 point guard. Have to give credit to Malcolm for his much improved play making, which is indicated by Brower's post. Also agree with Bonaman's assessment of Malcolm being the better point guard. Only Ogo's shot is better, Malcolm is a better play maker, defender, and in taking it to the basket. |
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Post by cyrus21 on Dec 23, 2009 19:32:05 GMT -5
I do not understand how anybody can possibly defend Eleby, he is rotten! he cant shoot, yet was bombing up 3's and other awful shots. also, two of Andrew's foul came after a turnover or terrible shot of Eleby's! as far as his assists, who cant dump it down to Nicholson, its not like he is driving and creating shots for the other players. He is NO offensive threat at all and his defense is overrated, SLOW. I took some heat for previous posts like this but was not aware that this board was only to point the few positives about this team like Andrew, Davenport, and the development of Conger!
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Post by u518370 on Dec 23, 2009 22:11:06 GMT -5
I find it funny that people like to get on Eleby. The kid has his shortcomings(long range shooting being chief among them), but he's the best PG we have. He works hard, is a good defender and uses his body well to get to the rim. Sure, he needs to do a better job with shot selection- but he has improved every year and I've never questioned his effort(which is not something I can say for everyone on this roster). Give the kid a break...
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Dec 24, 2009 9:31:58 GMT -5
Amen, u.
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Post by robfal18 on Dec 24, 2009 9:50:37 GMT -5
This isn't even a debate; Eleby is a lot better than Ogo. End of story.
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Post by sneakers on Dec 24, 2009 14:14:40 GMT -5
I find it funny that people like to get on Eleby. The kid has his shortcomings(long range shooting being chief among them), but he's the best PG we have. He works hard, is a good defender and uses his body well to get to the rim. Sure, he needs to do a better job with shot selection- but he has improved every year and I've never questioned his effort(which is not something I can say for everyone on this roster). Give the kid a break... I couldn't agree more. Merry Christmas! |
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Dec 26, 2009 15:10:59 GMT -5
I do not understand how anybody can possibly defend Eleby, he is rotten! he cant shoot, yet was bombing up 3's and other awful shots. also, two of Andrew's foul came after a turnover or terrible shot of Eleby's! as far as his assists, who cant dump it down to Nicholson, its not like he is driving and creating shots for the other players. He is NO offensive threat at all and his defense is overrated, SLOW. I took some heat for previous posts like this but was not aware that this board was only to point the few positives about this team like Andrew, Davenport, and the development of Conger! Anyone who still defends Eleby either doesn't know anything about basketball or doesn't watch our games. It's to the point that we're playing 4-on-5 on offense anytime Eleby is in the game, and that's no exaggeration what soever. I'm so sick of people justifying Eleby's minutes by a look at the box score or A-10 stats, it's unreal. Just by being on the court, Eleby makes everyone else's job more difficult on offense, but the main victim of Eleby's presence is Nicholson. Teams simply don't have to guard Eleby, allowing defenses to sag a defender down into the post due to the fact Malcolm can't hit - and now won't even attempt - a 16-foot jumper. That's inexcusable, and we can't expect to win games as long as we have such a player getting major minutes and "leading our team," which, by the way, our point guard has no idea how to do. |
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Post by CoachSBU on Dec 26, 2009 16:16:48 GMT -5
I, too, have been confused at times about why Eleby gets dissed on this board so much. I think a lot has to do with the fact that he is an easy target to scapegoat because he is the starting point guard. I did see the St. John's game live and have seen others on TV and live since Eleby has been here. He hasn't stuck out like a "sore thumb" to me during those games. I think the blame for this games comes down to everyone on this team from the players on up to the coaches.
As a matter of fact, Eleby got an offensive rebound that led to a dunk by Andrew at a pivotal time during this game. I blame this loss mostly on the lack of leadership from (so-called) seniors Matthews and Hall. I don't care that these guys are transfers, they've had the experience (especially Matthews) to be stronger leaders. The fact that Andrew Nicholson was not in the game when Niagara made its comeback, to me, is immaterial, as we did fine in the first half for 14 minutes without AN, going into the locker room with a 16 point lead. Starting right off the bat in the second half, Matthews sets the wrong tone with a turnover, and between him and Hall, these guys made turnover after bad shot after turnover, etc from there spurring on the Niagara comeback.
Then, D'Quan Cook is obviously really "feeling it" as the ten minute mark of the second half passes, and he was taken out and I don't think he even saw the court the rest of the game! Andrew could have used some of the pressure taken off him by having D'Quan in there drawing some attention away from him.
Overall, I am ticked that we continue to lose to these Little Three/Big Four teams, time after time. The Purple Eagles didn't have their best player, we have a double digit halftime lead and we STILL can't beat a team whose conference is a step down from ours. If we somehow lose to a Canisius team that is playing its worst basketball of the season at this time on our home court, I will be really HOT. We've got to find a way to beat these teams or we will never earn any future shot at even an at-large berth in the Big Dance. We better start NOW...
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Post by GoPadres on Dec 26, 2009 16:36:45 GMT -5
I do not understand how anybody can possibly defend Eleby, he is rotten! he cant shoot, yet was bombing up 3's and other awful shots. also, two of Andrew's foul came after a turnover or terrible shot of Eleby's! as far as his assists, who cant dump it down to Nicholson, its not like he is driving and creating shots for the other players. He is NO offensive threat at all and his defense is overrated, SLOW. I took some heat for previous posts like this but was not aware that this board was only to point the few positives about this team like Andrew, Davenport, and the development of Conger! Anyone who still defends Eleby either doesn't know anything about basketball or doesn't watch our games. It's to the point that we're playing 4-on-5 on offense anytime Eleby is in the game, and that's no exaggeration what soever. I'm so sick of people justifying Eleby's minutes by a look at the box score or A-10 stats, it's unreal. Just by being on the court, Eleby makes everyone else's job more difficult on offense, but the main victim of Eleby's presence is Nicholson. Teams simply don't have to guard Eleby, allowing defenses to sag a defender down into the post due to the fact Malcolm can't hit - and now won't even attempt - a 16-foot jumper. That's inexcusable, and we can't expect to win games as long as we have such a player getting major minutes and "leading our team," which, by the way, our point guard has no idea how to do. Unthinkable that anyone would defend a player's value to his team by looking at his stats. If Eleby is so bad and you are so smart, I just wonder why he continues to start? Or why his minutes are going up and Ogo's are going down? |
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Dec 26, 2009 17:22:21 GMT -5
Unthinkable that anyone would defend a player's value to his team by looking at his stats. If Eleby is so bad and you are so smart, I just wonder why he continues to start? Or why his minutes are going up and Ogo's are going down? You know fully well what I was implying - that the numbers, not that they're that good - don't tell the whole story on Malcolm. I said, for various reasons I outlined above, that Malcolm shouldn't be playing as much as he is. Nowhere did I say that Malcolm playing more actually made sense. |
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Post by maplehurst on Dec 26, 2009 20:11:32 GMT -5
I go back to the high school press conference and announcement in the Philadelphia Inquirer about Eleby coming to Bonas. Nobody thought he'd be the playmaker. Most thought he's be a forward. Maybe Eleby just isn't playing the right position. Maybe his shot would be falling from 15 feet.
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Post by longislandbonnie on Dec 27, 2009 8:02:49 GMT -5
Speaking of point guards, how did this kid slip by us?
Derek Needham - Fairfield (
FAIRFIELD, Conn. -- After a one-week hiatus from the award stand, freshman Derek Needham (Dalton, Ill.) earned his fourth Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC) Rookie of the Week award.
Needham tallied 17 points in the team's 89-84 setback to the University of Rhode Island, which ended the Stags season-best four-game winning streak. The freshman also dished off nine assists in the game, just missing another double double.
For the season, Needham is averaging 15.7 points per game and 6.1 assists per game. He has reached double figures in all but one of his 11 appearances this season.
(Also, 19 points vs Fordham; 15 vs Maryland - 41%FG; 29%3's; 75%FT - Stags are 8-3)
67 assists; 37 turnovers(1.81 ratio); 22 steals
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