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Post by mangham on May 12, 2005 7:04:48 GMT -5
For what it's worth, our recruiting class ( minus James) was ranked 73rd. No other A-10 team ranked higher.
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Post by Dunga on May 12, 2005 10:13:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I was wondering what his talent rating is for each recruit and the average. It seems to me that the average talent rating is a better indicator of how good a recruiting class is. Quality versus quantity. Our average talent rating last year was 3.0, and ranked around 5th or 6th in the A10. Xavier was first with 4.5 I recall. Can you post the info for 05?
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Post by ceharv on May 12, 2005 12:29:17 GMT -5
I think it's worth a lot - after all we've been thru, it's a door-opener for future recruiting to be able to say that we had the highest ranked recruiting class of anyone in the A-10 by a major pub for 05-06. Face it, we need all the positives we can get, and this is a good one. Of course, Sol might want to skip the number 73 - kind of amazing no one in the A-10 did better than that - St. Joes needs players and look how much ink they're gotten in the past 2 years - and what about X or Charlotte? they're always strong - 73rd is the best in the conference?
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Post by Copenhagen on May 12, 2005 13:43:52 GMT -5
our "hoop scoop" ranking for 2004 was;
102. ST. BONAVENTURE (11 Points)..........4 Recruits..........3.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Atlantic-10 Conference..........(4) Wade Dunston, 6'4, 2G, Iowa Western (JC) IA; (3) Willie Morse, 6'5, 2G, State College (H.S.) PA; (2) Michael Lee, 6'8, PF, West Palm Beach (Cardinal Newman) PA; (2) Isaiah Carson, 6'1, 2G, Springfield (South) OH.
quantity counts...hence our high ranking for 2005!
So is or will MLee be the biggest overachiever in this A-10 recruiting class?
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Post by Chuck on May 12, 2005 17:09:07 GMT -5
Did you know last year's ranking had Lamar ranked 4th, while North Carolina was ranked 82nd. Hoopscoop rankings are misleading, because rankings are skewed by the number of recruits signed. Such as last year Lamar had 9 recruits signed for a total of 33 points. On the other hand North Carolina signed only 2 recruits for 13 points. By the way North Carolina's star freshman Marvin Williams was one of the 2 recruits. If there is anything of any value it is Hoopscops talent rating for recruits. In comparison North Carolina had a 6.5 average talent rating to 3.7 for Lamar. I have to admit I'm disappointed to see Hoopscoop giving only a 3 to each of our recruits. Hawkins is obviously better than a 3. Here is a link to last year's Hoopscoop rankings (Bonnies are ranked 102) www.hoopscooponline.com/members/toprecruitingclassestodateclass2004.html |
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Post by Chuck on May 12, 2005 17:22:00 GMT -5
Anyone with a subscription have the ability to post the 05 recruiting class details? JH posted this information on April 24th titled "Hoopscoop ranks recruiting." You'll have to go back to the 5th page in the archives. |
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Post by Jimmy Chitwood on May 12, 2005 17:22:46 GMT -5
Among recruiting services/experts, Clark Francis is not exactly held in the highest regard. I wouldn't give Hoop Scoop a lot of credence. Player ratings have been known to change depending on who they sign with. The recruiting pundits on the A-10 board have been trashing Hoop Scoop for years.
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Post by mangham on May 13, 2005 7:12:07 GMT -5
to access the current rankings go to hoopscooponline.com. In the visitors section there are links. go to links. Then click on hoopsusa. In there write up they have a link to hoopscoop's 2005 ranknings. Don't tell Clark we can get this for free!
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Post by fjs64 on May 13, 2005 8:07:09 GMT -5
I followed Mangham's directions.....there is a world of information for basketball junkees.....spend a few minutes, which will lead to hours of enjoyment.  |
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Post by Copenhagen on May 13, 2005 8:34:39 GMT -5
if you find some "juicy" information, why not just copy/paste on this site...too many users getting access through this loophole will eventually give it away....
guess I'm lazy as well!
thanks...
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Post by Dunga on May 13, 2005 9:02:13 GMT -5
Below are all the schools tied with SBU in points (15). Interesting comparison in terms of # of signed recruits, average talent rating, etc. I agree that Hawkins and maybe Diggs/Ivan (because he rates jucos higher, giving them props for experience, hence Dunston's 4.0 rating last year) should have been ranked in the 3.5-4.5 range.
68. TEXAS (15 Points)..........3 Recruits..........5.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big-12 Conference..........(8) A.J. Abrams, 5'10, PG, Austin (McNeil) TX; (4) J.D. Lewis, 6'2, 2G, Midland (JC) TX; (3) Craig Winder, 6'2, 2G, Cecil (JC) TX.
68. N.C. STATE (15 Points)..........3 Recruits..........5.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Atlantic Coast Conference..........(8) Brandon Costner, 6'8, WF, West Orange (Seton Hall Prep) NJ; (4) Courtney Fells, 6'6, WF, Shannon (H.S.) MS; (3) Ben McCauley, 6'8, PF, Pittsburgh (Yough) PA.
68. WISCONSIN (15 Points)..........3 Recruits..........5.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big-10 Conference..........(8) Joe Krabbenhoft, 6'7, WF, Sioux Falls (Roosevelt) SD; (4) Marcus Landry, 6'7, WF, Milwaukee (Vincent) WI; (3) Phillip Perry, 6'2, 2G, Maywood (Proviso East) WI.
68. CLEMSON (15 Points)..........3 Recruits..........5.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Atlantic Coast Conference..........(6) K.C. Rivers, 6'4, 2G, Mouth of Wilson (Oak Hill) VA; (6) Julius Powell, 6'8, PF, Newtown (Conover) NC; (3) Raymond Sykes, 6'8, PF, Jacksonville (Jackson) FL.
72. TENNESSEE (15 Points)..........4 Recruits..........4.2 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Southeastern Conference..........(8) Tyler Smith, 6'6, WF, Pulaski (Giles County) TN; (3) Damion Harris, 6'10, C, Pickens (Prince Avenue Prep) SC; (2) Ryan Childress, 6'8, PF, Cincinnati (Moeller) OH; (2) Matthew Dotson, 6'8, PF, Centerville (Hickman County) TN.
72. GEORGIA TECH (15 Points)..........4 Recruits..........3.8 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Atlantic Coast Conference..........(6) Lewis Clinch, 6'3, 2G, Cordale (Crisp County) GA; (3) Alade Aminu, 6'9, PF, Stone Mountain (Stephenson) GA; (3) D'Andre Bell, 6'6, WF, Los Angeles (Palisades) CA; (3) Austin Jackson, 6'1, PG, Denton (Ryan) TX.
72. RUTGERS (15 Points)..........4 Recruits..........3.8 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big East Conference..........(4) Anthony Farmer, 6'2, 2G, Richland (St. Augustine) NJ; (4) Jaron Griffin, 6'6, WF, Manchester (H.S.) NJ; (4) Gerald Inman, 6'8, PF, Montvale (St. Joseph) NJ; (3) Zach Gibson, 6'8, PF, Grand Blanc (H.S.) MI.
72. GEORGETOWN (15 Points)..........4 Recruits..........3.3 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big East Conference..........(6) Josh Thornton, 6'1, PG, Wyoming Park (Caesar Rodney) DE; (3) Jessie Sapp, 6'3, 2G, Ft. Washington (National Christian) MD; (3) Marc Egerson, 6'5, WF, Philadelphia (Lutheran) PA; (3) Octavious Spann, 6'7, WF, College Park (Banneker) GA.
76. SAN DIEGO STATE (15 Points).......... 5 Recruits..........3.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Mountain West Conference..........(3) Kyle Spain, 6'7, WF, Newark (Memorial) CA; (3) Brett Hoerner, 6'10, C, Fullerton (H.S.) CA; (3) Khalif Watson, 6'2, 2G, Las Vegas (Bishop Gorman) NV; (3) Jabbar Young, 6'11, C, San Bernardino (JC) CA; (3) Richie Williams, 5'10, PG, Spring Valley (Steele Canyon) CA.
76. ST. BONAVENTURE (15 Points)..........5 Recruits..........3.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Atlantic-10 Conference..........(3) A.J. Hawkins, 6'5, WF, South Kent (Prep) CT; (3) Ivan Kevacevic, 6'10, C, Olney Central (JC) IL; (3) Dave Fox, 6'10, C, Mercyhurst North East (JC) PA; (3) Tyler Benson, 6'7, WF, Woodstock (Massanutten Military Academy) VA; (3) Terron Diggs, 6'0, PG, Tallahassee (JC) FL.
76. PENN STATE (15 Points)..........5 Recruits..........3.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big-10 Conference..........(3) Joonas Suotamo, 6'11, C, Finland; (3) Jamelle Cornelly, 6'5, PF, Columbus (Brookhaven) OH; (3) Milos Dogetic, 6'9, PF, Serbia-Montenegro; (3) David Jackson, 6'2, 2G, Gulf Coast (JC) FL; (3) Maxwell Dubois, 6'4, 2G, Ft. Lauderdale (Dillard) FL.
76. DRAKE (15 Points)..........5 Recruits..........3.0 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Missouri Valley Conference..........(4) A.J. Calvin, 6'7, PF, Butler County (JC) KS; (3) Bill Eaddy, 6'7, WF, Woodstock (Massanutten Military Academy) VA; (3) Armel Traore dit Nignan, 6'8, C, Tompkins Central (JC) NY; (3) Al Stewart, 5'11, PG, Southwestern Iowa (JC) IA; (2) Jacob Baryenbruch, 6'0, PG, Spring Valley (River Valley) WI.
80. SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY (15 Points)..........6 Recruits..........2.5 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Southwestern Athletic Conference..........(3) Rashad Adams, 6'7, PF, Lee (JC) TX; (3) Jamahl Stokes, 6'10, C, Georgia Perimeter (JC) GA; (3) Jazz Ross, 6'6, WF, Iowa Western (JC) IA; (2) Nick Smith, 6'3, 2G, Seminole (JC) OK; (2) Ralph Hishaw, 6'6, WF, Redlands (JC) OK; (2) Mezhron Evans, 6'6, Ohlone (JC) CA.
81. CHATTANOOGA (15 Points).........6 Recruits..........2.5 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Southern Conference..........(3) Khalil Hartwell, 6'7, PF, Philadelphia (Lutheran) PA; (3) Michael Ford, 6'8, PF, Bevill (JC) AL; (3) Nicheaus Dokes, 6'7, PF, Trenton (Peabody) TN; (2) Jeff Smith, 6'5, WF, Chattanooga (Tyner Academy) TN; (2) Tyler Troupe, 6'5, 2G, Gallatin (H.S.) TN; (2) Omar Johnson, 5'8, PG, Philadelphia (Lutheran) PA.
81. CAL STATE-FULLERTON (15 Points)..........6 Recruits..........2.5 Talent Rating Average Per Recruit..........Big West Conference..........(3) Jerard Moret, 6'4, 2G, Los Angeles (Westchester) CA; (3) Jarrel Lake, 6'7, PF, Los Angeles (Westchester) CA; (3) Gary Nunez, 6'8, PF, Ventura (JC) CA; (2) Manuel Montano, 6'10, C, Palomar (JC) CA; (2) Chris Minardo, 6'9, PF, Citrus (JC) CA; (2) Brian Marks, 6'9, C, Las Vegas (Palo Verde) NV.
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