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Post by schmidtface on Oct 8, 2015 9:10:11 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/sports/ncaafootball/beer-alcohol-college-football-west-virginia.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-newsLet's do the math. Avg Attendance last year was around 3,500 people. Now not everyone is a beer drinker but there are also people who will have more than one beer a game. I think 3,000 beers a game is a conservative sales estimate. If they charge $6, at a cost of $2.50 each (again fairly conservative), that is a profit of $3.50. $3.50*3,000= $10,5000 in profit each game $10,500*16 games a season is $168,000 And assuming Bonaventure basketball will last for eternity and a 3% interest rate, the present value of all future beer sales is $5,600,000 Yes that is correct. Over 5 MILLION dollars. If this isn't enough of a reason to sell beers in the RC I don't know what is. Not to mention, my analysis doesn't include the increase in attendance that beer sales would bring.
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 8, 2015 9:49:17 GMT -5
Minnesota lost money when they started selling alcohol at games. But maybe the most important line is...
How many times does an ambulance visit SBU currently for alcohol issues? Do we want kids (or fans) drinking more as the games progress and become more heated? If we want the A10 really coming down on SBU and pushing students (and fans) back away from the court then selling alcohol to the general population is the sure way to do it.
Look at arenas that sell alcohol and you'll rarely find one that is a good venue for fans. NHL/NBA arenas are the most common setup and, personally, I don't think they create a good atmosphere for fans.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Oct 8, 2015 10:06:03 GMT -5
I went to the Bonnies/URI game last year. They have a roped off bar area that serves beer before and throughout the game. Pretty good set up in one of the end zones of the arena. I watched the first five minutes of the game from this area (as did a few other Bonnies I met at the game).
How about re-purposing the underused Alumni box as a bar before and during games. I can imagine it would make more than the $1200 they charge to rent out the space. Just an idea.
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Post by tastylicks on Oct 8, 2015 10:23:27 GMT -5
Its a good idea. Myself and many of my alumni friends I know would purchase it during games.
Besides they sell alcohol 100 yards away in the Skeller anyway. Its not like there is a big effort to curb drinking. Might as well make money on it. A lot of people skirt over to the Skeller at halftime but many don't. That's a 2 and a half hour window the school isn't making money when they certainly could be.
Also, you could get away with charging more for beer in the arena. $6 price point is a decent one. As a season ticket holder I could see myself buying 2 per game. 1 in the first half/ 1 in the second. Thats $12 just in beer... per game. As is it would probably take me 3 or more games to spend $12 on concessions currently and I certainly wouldn't buy $12 worth of hot dogs and popcorn a game!
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Post by tastylicks on Oct 8, 2015 10:30:51 GMT -5
I went to the Bonnies/URI game last year. They have a roped off bar area that serves beer before and throughout the game. Pretty good set up in one of the end zones of the arena. I watched the first five minutes of the game from this area (as did a few other Bonnies I met at the game). How about re-purposing the underused Alumni box as a bar before and during games. I can imagine it would make more than the $1200 they charge to rent out the space. Just an idea. That's a pretty cool idea actually. You could probably get corporate sponsorship of the section and limit alcohol sales to just that section if you wanted. Knock out the wall and keep it standing room only. Like the "Southern Tier / Ellicottville Brewery Fast Break Fan Zone" or something.
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Post by pa77 on Oct 8, 2015 10:33:42 GMT -5
Its a good idea. Myself and many of my alumni friends I know would purchase it during games. Besides they sell alcohol 100 yards away in the Skeller anyway. Its not like there is a big effort to curb drinking. Might as well make money on it. A lot of people skirt over to the Skeller at halftime but many don't. That's a 2 and a half hour window the school isn't making money when they certainly could be. Also, you could get away with charging more for beer in the arena. $6 price point is a decent one. As a season ticket holder I could see myself buying 2 per game. 1 in the first half/ 1 in the second. Thats $12 just in beer... per game. As is it would probably take me 3 or more games to spend $12 on concessions currently and I certainly wouldn't buy $12 worth of hot dogs and popcorn a game! Dayton been selling beer for years, just not allowed in the student section. Duquesne started recently, they need all the help they can get.
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Post by njbonnie08 on Oct 8, 2015 10:38:52 GMT -5
I'll save myself a full blog post on this topic (for now) with this: for a school strapped for money and in need of financial help in whatever way possible, saying no to beer in the RC is as stubborn as it gets. This school is in NO position to turn away significant income. The idea that we continue to hold this line on beer at basketball games is ludicrous. Our President and board need to be forward thinking business people and stop living inside the idea that as a Franciscan school we cannot have beer in the RC. www.thebonablog.com
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Post by sbu79 on Oct 8, 2015 10:50:07 GMT -5
Question: Is there a beer concession at any of the outdoor sports (baseball, etc.)?
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 8, 2015 10:58:32 GMT -5
Question: Is there a beer concession at any of the outdoor sports (baseball, etc.)? No. There are hardly concessions for any other sport.
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Post by thesenator on Oct 8, 2015 11:05:54 GMT -5
I'll save myself a full blog post on this topic (for now) with this: for a school strapped for money and in need of financial help in whatever way possible, saying no to beer in the RC is as stubborn as it gets. This school is in NO position to turn away significant income. The idea that we continue to hold this line on beer at basketball games is ludicrous. Our President and board need to be forward thinking business people and stop living inside the idea that as a Franciscan school we cannot have beer in the RC. www.thebonablog.com there's no disputing the fact we need the money...i'd be for the idea with a couple of points thrown in to make sure the school is at no risk in undertaking such a plan: 1) you're underage-you're not getting served...and 2) you're drunk-you'e not getting served...
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Post by thesenator on Oct 8, 2015 11:06:23 GMT -5
I'll save myself a full blog post on this topic (for now) with this: for a school strapped for money and in need of financial help in whatever way possible, saying no to beer in the RC is as stubborn as it gets. This school is in NO position to turn away significant income. The idea that we continue to hold this line on beer at basketball games is ludicrous. Our President and board need to be forward thinking business people and stop living inside the idea that as a Franciscan school we cannot have beer in the RC. www.thebonablog.com there's no disputing the fact we need the money...i'd be for the idea with a couple of points thrown in to make sure the school is at no risk in undertaking such a plan: 1) you're underage-you're not getting served...and 2) you're drunk-you'e not getting served...
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 8, 2015 11:10:25 GMT -5
There are a lot of good reasons to not introduce alcohol sales.
For a lot of the football schools that have included alcohol sales in recent years it has been at large land-grant schools where tailgating is a big part of the culture. The schools are already spending a lot of resources on safety and want to ensure that fans make their way into the game. There are schools where they have had high expenditures on safety due to a lot of people going to tailgate and never buying tickets or ever having any plans to attend the game. This has become a bigger problem as technology has made it easier for fans to set up their TVs in the lots outside the stadium and watch many games during the day.
Even when people attend the games, a lot of stadiums have had people leaving at half time as they go out to get drinks (or in the way of students, leave because they aren't getting cell phone reception due to all the other people with phones near them).
Many of these factors are not issues at SBU.
The mention of the alumni room reminds me of soccer games in the Premiership. This was my first introduction to these policies. While the stadiums sell alcohol, they are not permitted 'in the stadium' so you must stay in the concourse with your drink. This has some negatives and some positives. The negative is that it can lead to some binge drinking as people quickly try to drink so they can get back to their seats but it is positive in that it requires each person to pass by security each time they go to get a drink so that security can monitor them. This does help to prevent fans from sitting and drinking the whole game.
The biggest issue, at Bonas would be drinks below the railings. Anything that could reach the court could be a real problem and allowing students to drink could be a problem as it would be hard to monitor students.
While there are possibly some good ways to implement such a policy, I think there is a lot of thought that needs to go into it. I don't mind the NCAA's policy that restricts it to just the suites with the general admissions seats not being able to get it at NCAA championships.
Just chasing revenue can lead to a lot of negatives that can actually accelerate a downward trend.
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Post by sbu79 on Oct 8, 2015 11:27:29 GMT -5
There are a lot of good reasons to not introduce alcohol sales. Just chasing revenue can lead to a lot of negatives that can actually accelerate a downward trend. I think this is true. We "may" already have a thread debating whether changes have been made strictly in the quest for revenue. Maybe yes / maybe no, but there would be no cover story for beer sales.
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Post by sony on Oct 8, 2015 13:08:14 GMT -5
Here's an idea - only pour Iron City or Duke or the famous Kohler Collar from Club 17 days, nobody today would drink those three staples of beers from back then!
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Post by Pinnum on Oct 8, 2015 13:23:51 GMT -5
Here's an idea - only pour Iron City or Duke or the famous Kohler Collar from Club 17 days, nobody today would drink those three staples of beers from back then! You've never been to a Pirates game, have you?
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