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Post by Bona84 on Apr 12, 2016 12:37:08 GMT -5
It wasn't disbanded. We have a women's lacrosse team that plays every year in the Atlantic 10, now on the beautiful new field. About 5-10 years ago or so they had better records but they still play, having ups and downs like every other team. Yes, the women's lax team (essentially) replaced the women's volleyball team, coming in the year after volleyball was eliminated. I don't remember if volleyball was eliminated specifically to accommodate the lax team, but the volleyball team had been non-competitive for years. The SBU historian has weighed in. res, perhaps you can help CoachSBU with his hockey recollections?
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Apr 12, 2016 12:38:10 GMT -5
We have a brand new turf Lax field. Lax is the most popular new sport among today's youth. Use the field, have a D-1 team, run camps. get people to campus, increase enrollment.
Traditionally, Lacross players come from wealthier backgrounds. Increase the wealth of the donor pool. School receives higher donations.
All I see is upside. But what do I know.
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 12, 2016 16:20:23 GMT -5
someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was of the impression that schools had to field a minimum of 14 teams to remain in the a-10 so, if that's correct, we couldn't drop a sport (we have the minimum 14 right now) without replacing it with another sport that the a-10 fields teams in... this might be a pre-mature time to bring this topic up, but sometime in the future, maybe in conjunction with the naming of the interim president, this board could discuss ways we the alums/friends of bonas can take a more pro-active role...for instance, it was mentioned that maybe the alums could step up to help finance a club sport with the hope of that being a way of increasing enrollment while at the same time hopefully see that club sport develop into a div 1 team (our rugby team being an excellent example/model)... I didn't factor that in with the A-10 requiring 14. That would be a complicating factor and also explain why there are so few A-10 teams offering lacrosse. Also, rugby is not an applicable model because it is not an NCAA sport. You can go from a start-up club team to the upper echelon of the college sport over time if you dedicate energy there. You can't do that with lacrosse. So just so I'm up to date here, because i just logged on, but if the "club" Lacrosse team was to put the time and energy in, like the Rugby team has. You don't think that the school would take notice, realizing that they may have an opportunity to bring in more students via Lacrosse, by putting some money behind them and make a NCAA sanctioned sport? And that statement, that Rugby "isn't" a NCAA Sanctioned sport is untrue. "Women's" Rugby, in the fall of 2105, was sanctioned by the NCAA by 11 Schools.. And if we're talking mainly about bringing in more students, which is what i thought this was about, being a Varsity Sport, like the Men's Team, is a very good way to go about it. And if we're talking about a sport that brings national school recognition, and possible revenue, i'll leave you with this stat: Today, college rugby continues to grow in popularity, and rugby is one of the fastest growing sports across college campuses.[1] The 32,000 registered college players in 2010 marked a 14% increase from 28,000 college players in 2008.[4] Over 180 college rugby clubs started between 2010 and 2014.[5] The National Small College Rugby Organization grew from 85 teams in 2007 to 151 teams in 2011 and to over 200 men's teams for 2012.[6][7] Several schools have increased their investments in men's and women's rugby programs, by creating rugby programs with varsity or quasi-varsity status and funding for scholarships,[8] and Notre Dame and Texas have upgraded their rugby programs from "club" status to "Olympic" status. Women's rugby is now classified by the NCAA as an emerging varsity sport.[9] There has been increased interest in college rugby (particularly in rugby sevens) from TV since the International Olympic Committee's announcement in 2009 that rugby would return to the Summer Olympics in 2016. The highest profile college rugby sevens competition is the Collegiate Rugby Championship (CRC), which began in 2010. The CRC, which is played every June at PPL Park in Philadelphia, is televised live by NBC Sports and regularly draws attendances of 18,000.[10][11] In 2015, the CRC set a new attendance record with over 24,000 spectators.[12] Several top schools started a competition in 2013 called the Varsity Cup, with the 2014 Varsity Cup final broadcast live on NBC Sports. College rugby includes a national championship competition (since 1980). California has won the majority of titles, with Air Force and BYU also winning multiple championships. In 2011 a new Division 1-A was created with approximately 30 schools forming the new division.. So i guess it depends on what you're looking for exactly, but if its more students, more school recognition, and possible revenue, the Rugby Team is a good module to which too go by..
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 12, 2016 17:28:25 GMT -5
We have a brand new turf Lax field. Lax is the most popular new sport among today's youth. Use the field, have a D-1 team, run camps. get people to campus, increase enrollment. Traditionally, Lacross players come from wealthier backgrounds. Increase the wealth of the donor pool. School receives higher donations. All I see is upside. But what do I know. Is that the turf field that everyone uses, like the soccer teams, and both rugby teams use? Or did they get their own turf field? Im heading up this weekend, if work allows, for the first time in a handful of yrs..
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Post by res on Apr 12, 2016 18:55:52 GMT -5
The SBU historian has weighed in. res, perhaps you can help CoachSBU with his hockey recollections? Well, since you asked... I don't remember Bona ever having an NCAA-sanctioned hockey team, D1 or otherwise. It seems to me that they have always been a club team.
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Post by Bona84 on Apr 12, 2016 19:49:19 GMT -5
The SBU historian has weighed in. res, perhaps you can help CoachSBU with his hockey recollections? Well, since you asked... I don't remember Bona ever having an NCAA-sanctioned hockey team, D1 or otherwise. It seems to me that they have always been a club team. My recollection is similar to yours, Mr. Historian. CoachSBU, who used to live next door to me back in our Bona days, could be mistaken. I do remember that we had some pretty good hockey teams back in the 80s.
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Post by sneakers on Apr 12, 2016 21:42:01 GMT -5
Well, since you asked... I don't remember Bona ever having an NCAA-sanctioned hockey team, D1 or otherwise. It seems to me that they have always been a club team. My recollection is similar to yours, Mr. Historian. CoachSBU, who used to live next door to me back in our Bona days, could be mistaken. I do remember that we had some pretty good hockey teams back in the 80s. Bonas hockey was technically D1 in the '80's, but they had a lot of D3 teams on their schedule. I don't know when they dropped back to club. There is one main multi sport turf field. It is lined for soccer, lacrosse and rugby. (In addition there is a grass rugby field). SBU's rugby team is ranked in the top 30 in the country. We recently beat U Maryland, Virginia Tech and West Virginia among many others. I believe we are undefeated this spring. Not bad for a school of 1,600 students. Rugby is actually the second largest participatory sport in the world next to soccer. It can be a major draw of students to the University.
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 12, 2016 22:16:40 GMT -5
My recollection is similar to yours, Mr. Historian. CoachSBU, who used to live next door to me back in our Bona days, could be mistaken. I do remember that we had some pretty good hockey teams back in the 80s. Bonas hockey was technically D1 in the '80's, but they had a lot of D3 teams on their schedule. I don't know when they dropped back to club. There is one main multi sport turf field. It is lined for soccer, lacrosse and rugby. (In addition there is a grass rugby field). SBU's rugby team is ranked in the top 30 in the country. We recently beat U Maryland, Virginia Tech and West Virginia among many others. I believe we are undefeated this spring. Not bad for a school of 1,600 students. Rugby is actually the second largest participatory sport in the world next to soccer. It can be a major draw of students to the University. The Rugby team went down to Maryland, like you said, at the beginning of the month, and won the tournament there, and they have another big tournament at Kutztown April 23rd.. They won the last 3 or 4 games of the regular season last fall, and won their postseason game (in North Carolina) vs Western Michigan. And they have continued to win since then, while adding the Life University Coach to their staff, as an Assistant Coach.. Like i said in a past post, they play in the East Conference, probably the best in the nation, and with the new turf field, teams like PSU came to Olean to open this past season.. This coming weekend will show just how much this program has come, when they host their annual Alumni Game..
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Post by thesenator on Apr 13, 2016 8:32:25 GMT -5
i'm on board for anything that brings bonas more students, more name recognition, and more revenue...
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Post by agoo on Apr 13, 2016 8:41:50 GMT -5
So just so I'm up to date here, because i just logged on, but if the "club" Lacrosse team was to put the time and energy in, like the Rugby team has. You don't think that the school would take notice, realizing that they may have an opportunity to bring in more students via Lacrosse, by putting some money behind them and make a NCAA sanctioned sport? And that statement, that Rugby "isn't" a NCAA Sanctioned sport is untrue. "Women's" Rugby, in the fall of 2105, was sanctioned by the NCAA by 11 Schools.. And if we're talking mainly about bringing in more students, which is what i thought this was about, being a Varsity Sport, like the Men's Team, is a very good way to go about it. And if we're talking about a sport that brings national school recognition, and possible revenue, i'll leave you with this stat: Ok, so for now 12 women's teams, rugby is an NCAA sport. There are over 900 registered college rugby teams in both male and female divisions. Aside from about 1.3% of all college programs, rugby is not an NCAA sport. This can't be compared with NCAA sports. If we're trying to recruit competitive rugby athletes, we can get them because we're going up against other club teams. Some may have more funding, as they do in everything that we do, but we're as much a D-I program in rugby as the other 36 teams in the division. In lacrosse, if we're recruiting a player against Canisius, Colgate, Hobart, or Binghamton, do you think a kid is going to go with an NCAA division I team, or a club team? I'm not saying its not worth looking in to, I'm just saying its not at all a comparable situation to the men's rugby program. The two teams would be operating in very much different climates.
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Post by res on Apr 13, 2016 8:43:06 GMT -5
According to the archives, Bona hockey was NCAA Division III from 1982 to 1993. "The final years of the program the team went on to post records of 2-25-2(1991), 5-20(1992), and 4-21(1993). After the 1993 season the varsity program was disbanded." -- web.sbu.edu/friedsam/archives/athletics/Hockey/hockey.htmYou've got to love the crests on those sweaters, though...
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Post by JC on Apr 13, 2016 10:11:10 GMT -5
I played youth hockey at the Olean Rec Center in the 80s. I remember St. Bona hockey, whatever division it was in, getting smoked every game. And I mean smoked. I remember a loss against Mercyhurst that was something like 13-1.
Is it really "absurd" that Bona has no D1 hockey team? Where would they play? The Olean Rec Center isn't even suitable as a practice arena for a D1 team. There are also several D1 teams already in the region: Niagara, Canisius, Mercyhurst, RIT, Cornell, Colgate. Why, exactly, would a D1 hockey player choose Bona over one of those schools?
I'll give you one thing. Sinking money into a hockey rink at least isn't as bad an idea as building a football stadium.
Besides, hockey and basketball seasons overlap. Now we would be asking the community to support two teams during the winter. Whatever money that could go into a startup hockey program would be better spent on basketball, or fully funding baseball/softball.
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Post by bonnieshoops on Apr 13, 2016 10:31:01 GMT -5
According to the archives, Bona hockey was NCAA Division III from 1982 to 1993. "The final years of the program the team went on to post records of 2-25-2(1991), 5-20(1992), and 4-21(1993). After the 1993 season the varsity program was disbanded." -- web.sbu.edu/friedsam/archives/athletics/Hockey/hockey.htmYou've got to love the crests on those sweaters, though... Bona Hockey was a mess, and as someone else related, they would lose many games by very wide margins. I think they had a 20+game losing streak, and the best player on the team (until 91) was the goalie, who would get recruited by some of the teams pounding him. Bona Lacrosse was also varsity from 89-93 season. That team was competitive, beating Canisius, Siena etc. Unfortunately, those programs took off, and lacrosse at SBU got Title iX'd
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Apr 13, 2016 15:58:38 GMT -5
So just so I'm up to date here, because i just logged on, but if the "club" Lacrosse team was to put the time and energy in, like the Rugby team has. You don't think that the school would take notice, realizing that they may have an opportunity to bring in more students via Lacrosse, by putting some money behind them and make a NCAA sanctioned sport? And that statement, that Rugby "isn't" a NCAA Sanctioned sport is untrue. "Women's" Rugby, in the fall of 2105, was sanctioned by the NCAA by 11 Schools.. And if we're talking mainly about bringing in more students, which is what i thought this was about, being a Varsity Sport, like the Men's Team, is a very good way to go about it. And if we're talking about a sport that brings national school recognition, and possible revenue, i'll leave you with this stat: Ok, so for now 12 women's teams, rugby is an NCAA sport. There are over 900 registered college rugby teams in both male and female divisions. Aside from about 1.3% of all college programs, rugby is not an NCAA sport. This can't be compared with NCAA sports. If we're trying to recruit competitive rugby athletes, we can get them because we're going up against other club teams. Some may have more funding, as they do in everything that we do, but we're as much a D-I program in rugby as the other 36 teams in the division. In lacrosse, if we're recruiting a player against Canisius, Colgate, Hobart, or Binghamton, do you think a kid is going to go with an NCAA division I team, or a club team? I'm not saying its not worth looking in to, I'm just saying its not at all a comparable situation to the men's rugby program. The two teams would be operating in very much different climates. Alright, i guess either you don't get what I'm saying, or just choosing to ignore it, but I'm not comparing the men's lacrosse team to the men's rugby team "at all".. All i said was that the rugby team is a good module, for building a lacrosse program, that can eventually make the transition to a NCAA Sanctioned team.. If the lacrosse team wants to get too a point where it could become a NCAA Sanctioned team, it has to start somewhere (just like the rugby team did). You can say the same thing about the men's rugby team, "would a player come to Bona's to play on a "club" team, or go elsewhere, where theres more exposure nationally?".. You have to start somewhere, and build up the program, their not just going to be given NCAA status overnight.. With sponsors, paid coaches, the ability to recruit student athletes, and eventually give out scholarships, is something they should earn. And all i was saying is that the Rugby teams path they took, is a good way to do it, thats all! (NCAA or Varsity status, it doesnt matter, you have to build from the ground up)... Whatever end game that lacrosse team makes, like being a NCAA sanctioned sport, is different than the end game for the rugby team, thats not the question, its about how they go about it, and get there. And from what i assumed this thread was about, was ultimately bringing in more student athletes, or students in general.. But you know what, its fine, this isn't about "opinions" (at this point anymore), its about the facts, and i made my case. So thats all I'm going to say not this matter, if you want to bring in more students, choose a path that gets you there, and either follow the success of one program, or don't..
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Post by JC on Apr 13, 2016 19:56:44 GMT -5
The last I knew, the baseball team was still not fully funded. I believe they are not able to offer as many full scholarships as most other A10 teams.
If it is still the case, I think we should fully fund the baseball team before adding a Men's lacrosse team.
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