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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 11:17:18 GMT -5
I am not trying to introduce politics to the board, but the proposal by Governor Cuomo to create the excelsior scholarship program could have a huge impact on SBU. Basically, this would give every student in NY whose parents make less than $120,000 free tuition to a SUNY school. It is only a proposal,but if passed it could have significant effects on small private colleges in NY. It already is hard to compete with SUNY, but this would make it even more competitive.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Jan 4, 2017 11:23:25 GMT -5
I like to look at it from a positive standpoint. Maybe this initiative will de-value the public institutions. They will be seen as 'Grade 13-16' where anyone can go. Maybe this will bolster the appeal of SBU.
Here's hoping...
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Post by sbu79 on Jan 4, 2017 11:29:14 GMT -5
I like to look at it from a positive standpoint. Maybe this initiative will de-value the public institutions. They will be seen as 'Grade 13-16' where anyone can go. Maybe this will bolster the appeal of SBU. Here's hoping... It will devalue them, but just by the sheer numbers of graduates they will turn out, it will also devalue our entire society.
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Post by Jive36 on Jan 4, 2017 11:33:00 GMT -5
I have to believe a significant % of Bonaventure students would qualify for this scholarship and it would be hard to compete with it even if SUNY schools become devalued.
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Post by bonaman2013 on Jan 4, 2017 11:56:30 GMT -5
You would still have to be accepted into schools like UB, Albany, etc. If anything, it will stigmatize private schools. Oh you weren't able to go to a public school, so you went to a private school. If this passes, I will have to imagine that schools like UB and Albany will only accept a fraction of what they do now.
If Bonaventure currently gets students that are B to B+ students with 1000-1100 SAT scores, chances are those students won't stand a chance at acceptance into quality SUNY schools because of how much higher standards will be when these schools are flooded with applications.
The advantage I believe we have right now is that for the type of student we normally get, they will probably get a very nice financial package that would make the overall cost of attendance similar to most state schools.
If you get into a school like UB with a B+ and average SAT scores, you probably won't get more than $3,000 - $5,000 in scholarships. UB is now $25,000 a year for total cost, so you would be looking at $80,000 in loans after four years.
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Post by bonaman2013 on Jan 4, 2017 12:00:48 GMT -5
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Post by Jive36 on Jan 4, 2017 12:04:01 GMT -5
The advantage I believe we have right now is that for the type of student we normally get, they will probably get a very nice financial package that would make the overall cost of attendance similar to most state schools. Speaking for myself 10 years ago this was very much the case.
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Post by dadster81 on Jan 4, 2017 12:17:46 GMT -5
NYS cannot afford this type of program (most States would not be able to afford it). Cuomo is grandstanding. This past election showed many politicians that they had lost connection with the working middle class. So a lot of politicians are throwing S--- against a wall, knowing it won't stick, so it looks like the understand the working class. This just happens to be Cuomo's approach - IMO.
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Post by tastylicks on Jan 4, 2017 12:22:07 GMT -5
I can't imagine this would be good for St. Bonaventure but I enjoy hearing your guys' thoughts and the perspectives I havent thought of
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Post by pbd76 on Jan 4, 2017 12:23:03 GMT -5
NYS cannot afford this type of program (most States would not be able to afford it). Cuomo is grandstanding. This past election showed many politicians that they had lost connection with the working middle class. So a lot of politicians are throwing S--- against a wall, knowing it won't stick, so it looks like the understand the working class. This just happens to be Cuomo's approach - IMO. Cuomo is working on burnishing his progressive cred. Currently, many SUNY/CUNY students, if financially qualified, get a lot of financial aid from Pell and the state grants, so for those students it wouldn't make that much of a difference. I saw on the news last night one NY senator interviewed saying this is problematic due to the potential negative impact to private institutions. Plus, I doubt their projections took into account a flood of applicants for "free" tuition (as you know, the government does not poseess free money).
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Post by kcSBU03 on Jan 4, 2017 13:04:45 GMT -5
Something that is not being mentioned is there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change. I first thought this was something bad for SBU but I dont think that is the case anymore. There still will be kids who want to attend a private university and what it has to offer.
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Post by tastylicks on Jan 4, 2017 13:23:56 GMT -5
Something that is not being mentioned is there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change. I first thought this was something bad for SBU but I dont think that is the case anymore. There still will be kids who want to attend a private university and what it has to offer. kc03 - "there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change." what exactly do you mean by that and how do you figure that wont change? just interested and wondering....
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Post by Pinnum on Jan 4, 2017 13:24:08 GMT -5
Something that is not being mentioned is there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change. I first thought this was something bad for SBU but I dont think that is the case anymore. There still will be kids who want to attend a private university and what it has to offer. I disagree. I am sure every school, from Buffalo and Stony Brook down to Fredonia and Canton will want to grow to accommodate even more students. With a blank check coming from the state for most students, they can build new and lavish dorms, hire new staff, and all of this will require the need for more administrator to manage all of it. Administrators will quickly see their salaries rise and be justified by all of the changes taking place at the school.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Jan 4, 2017 14:22:52 GMT -5
Something that is not being mentioned is there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change. I first thought this was something bad for SBU but I dont think that is the case anymore. There still will be kids who want to attend a private university and what it has to offer. kc03 - "there are still only a certain number of students that can attend the SUNY schools and that will not change." what exactly do you mean by that and how do you figure that wont change? just interested and wondering.... What I mean is UB can only handle x students. Unless they get a ton of money to add dorms, they wont be admitting more than x in any year. If they do get money for dorms,classrooms..etc, where is it coming from? To expand on my last post....the 125k threshold also needs to be remembered. A kid growing up in the nyc area will not come from a household that is under 125k. Starting salaries in NYC are in the 90-100k range to give some perspective. This initiative will help kids who come from financially bad situations but they still need to be accepted into the school. Its not like the kid barely getting by in high school will suddenly be able to go to college for free, he/she will still have to earn their way in. I just dont think this would be as big of a deal for Bonas. With the financial aid many kids get here, they will still come.
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Post by sony on Jan 4, 2017 14:51:46 GMT -5
Agree with the member who stated this is never going to happen, even in a state as liberal as NY! It is a shrewd political move by Cuomo as he starts his reelection bid for Gov and looks to position himself for a White House run as the next progressive standard bearer. That is if Preet doesn't have him under indicted or in jail by then. I can't see the NYS Legislature passing this.
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