vodorr
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Post by vodorr on Feb 10, 2024 17:45:12 GMT -5
We have proven that we are an average team. What else do we have to say?
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Post by ewenke13 on Feb 10, 2024 18:22:24 GMT -5
Just my two cents with today and in general:
I was fortunate enough to be able to attend walk through this morning - which was an amazing experience and I’m very grateful for it. A few observations: MAW seemed very much in rhythm and poised for a big day (that happened, although his lack of PT at times still boggles my mind). Assa had stretches. Venning was yawning. I thought he’d have a down game (he did). Coach was preaching hands up and screens, especially down screens. Hmmm…didn’t execute the defensive game plan at all in any facet. The team in general didn’t seem to have a ton of fire this morning - but I’ve never seen a walk through so maybe that’s common?
Martinez seemed very class clownish (if that’s a word) - that could just be his personality but he seemed annoyed / disinterested and sarcastic at times. Now, I only saw this for a short time and I have zero insight into him or any player but I’d guess he’ll be hitting the portal.
I think the whole Luc / MAW thing *could* be something causing friction. I just can’t explain the lack of consistency and intermittent lapses that we have with anything else. It’s much less about the “playbook” and much more about the lack of execution, hustle and determination (at times). Do the players see MAW sitting and are like “why are you we not putting our best team out there? I’m decreasing effort as a result.” Again, I don’t know this for sure but it seems plausible. I wish I knew more about the alleged “incident”
I think this team is talented, but is severely lacking in leadership and possibly chemistry / morale, which then causes these lapses and the holes that we constantly dig ourselves into.
Hoping we get it together, stat.
Go Bonnies!
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Post by bigcat on Feb 10, 2024 21:39:42 GMT -5
I was unable to watch the game live today but followed the stats. Just sat down to watch this evening (painful) which prompted a few thoughts…
1) The Bonnies have dominated Fordham and Duquesne the last two decades until last year. With today’s loss SBU has dropped 6 straight to Fordham and the Dukes combined. How can we sweep VCU but play so badly against teams we should dominate?
2) Yes the A10 certainly is much improved this year but it is logical to think the Bonnies would take a huge step forward with the addition of two potential all A10 players in Mika and Chuck (both played so well today). Plus we have a solid backup center and all key pieces returning.
3) The poor first halves might be 100% mental at this point. Or perhaps the Bonnies are too predictable. Only 3 points in the first 5 minutes. We also let up two easy layups in the half court to open the game … and again and again throughout the half. Mental lapses.
4) Banks and Assa are hurting this team — or are non factors most games. Both are likable guys and have had some big games but their poor play on both ends of the floor have lasted for 10+ games. Hard to believe Banks was voted pre-season first team.
5) Moses is not the same player as a starter but who fills that spot? He was so special coming off the bench. Only took 2 shots today while Banks was 2 for 8.
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Post by ewenke13 on Feb 10, 2024 22:09:23 GMT -5
I was unable to watch the game live today but followed the stats. Just sat down to watch this evening (painful) which prompted a few thoughts… 1) The Bonnies have dominated Fordham and Duquesne the last two decades until last year. With today’s loss SBU has dropped 6 straight to Fordham and the Dukes combined. How can we sweep VCU but play so badly against teams we should dominate? 2) Yes the A10 certainly is much improved this year but it is logical to think the Bonnies would take a huge step forward with the addition of two potential all A10 players in Mika and Chuck (both played so well today). Plus we have a solid backup center and all key pieces returning. 3) The poor first halves might be 100% mental at this point. Or perhaps the Bonnies are too predictable. Only 3 points in the first 5 minutes. We also let up two easy layups in the half court to open the game … and again and again throughout the half. Mental lapses. 4) Banks and Assa are hurting this team — or are non factors most games. Both are likable guys and have had some big games but their poor play on both ends of the floor have lasted for 10+ games. Hard to believe Banks was voted pre-season first team. 5) Moses is not the same player as a starter but who fills that spot? He was so special coming off the bench. Only took 2 shots today while Banks was 2 for 8. I did want to note on Flowers in my above message. He looked ok in the walk through. In the game, he just seemed mentally checked out. He has an early turnover that then spiraled. He was committing fouls out of frustration, the misses, and the two steps out of bounds. Flowers has been instrumental in many of our games and has the ceiling to drive our offense at times (especially given how flat our offense can be), but watching him today I think a short leash was warranted. Hopefully a one off, but again, just seems like an overall team mental issue behind these inconsistencies…
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Post by Hermit on Feb 10, 2024 22:34:01 GMT -5
“sometimes numbers can be deceiving…its not me and I….its us”….
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Post by wgt on Feb 11, 2024 0:04:16 GMT -5
Clark III had quite a game distributing the ball with gorgeous feeds. He got his 15 ppg season average but it was his 8 assists to 1 TO that was a difference maker. He matched our entire team in assists!
We have shown the ability to have big comebacks but its tough to succeed when you get down 13 at half and 17 within the first 2 mins of the 2nd half. We are not good enough to overcome deep deficits on a regular basis. Few teams are.
Hats off to the 4,750 fans that I believe was the largest of the season.
Chuck and MIKA played well combining for 43 points (63% of our scoring). Too bad no one else was able to step up and play to their capability.
Our 2nd half offense produced 46 points but not enough to dig out of the deep hole we put ourselves in. 2nd Half Offense saw us shoot 49% FGs, 50% TREYS and 76% from the stripe.
As well as Clark III played (except for his missed dunk, 1-4 from the line & fouling out) it was CHUCK who held the highest efficiency rating for the game.
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Post by demourse on Feb 11, 2024 0:58:13 GMT -5
The ROI for Schmidt has run its course. He does just enough to rile up his defenders to champion the need to keep him.
He has done a great job and someday deserves an induction ceremony. Doesn’t mean the school shouldn’t look to replace him. Expectations need to be clear. With Mark, they’ve never been established other than he gets a raise for the same results.
I don’t think anybody else on the potential radar will come in and elevate the program. The current situation is the peak. The rules have changed and what used to be illegal can now operate openly. The school doesn’t have the pockets to compete long-term, nor is this a plea to the fan base to pony up additional funds.
The program could be in the same competitive position using the funds they are overpaying Schmidt for a less expensive coach and higher NIL funds for similar results. In the meantime, he should face treason charges for the UMASS hostage negotiation crisis.
The charade cannot continue.
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Post by maplehurst on Feb 11, 2024 3:32:26 GMT -5
Coach needs to recruit better players. The Bonnies and the Dukes, for that matter, are really not good teams. Getting cast offs from D-1 schools is not the answer. There is a reason they did not play much at their previous school. They were not good enough. We need to recruit the same way Dayton does. I hope it all comes about.
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Post by coach on Feb 11, 2024 3:42:49 GMT -5
oh Gosh.....
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Post by joe48 on Feb 11, 2024 6:20:03 GMT -5
Not surprised by the outcome. This type of game has become the norm for this team. The home court is no longer a strength. Long scoring droughts every game because of a predictable sloppy offense and lack of discipline on defense. We are not good with fundamentals and lack focus.
On defense the double down on the ball is giving the opponent an open shot or lay in. We struggle to score and give up a half a dozen bunnies each game. Too many uncontested 3’s. Venning needs to be coached to give up the ball in the paint. He leads the team in turnovers. Assa should be watching more from the bench. Give the time to one of our younger guys. We get little production as is from the forward position. Down the stretch more Woods and Pride and less Banks. The coaching staff owns a big piece of the results so far. The mental mistakes and strategy is coaching. I do not see the development in players year to year. I know Schmidt has been here over 15 years. That is a long time and the grind may have caught up with him.
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Post by ganyguy on Feb 11, 2024 7:26:07 GMT -5
The Bonnies’ have a significant offensive issue and I believe Coach, as good as he is, must take alot of the blame. It has been all about get the ball to Chad. Our shooters- Flowers, Charles, Mika are taking only minimal shots in multiple games… and playing Banks and Assa as much as Mark does just leaves a huge nothing offensively: Banks because he shoots too much and makes almost nothing and Assa because he doesnt shoot at all at times. This notion advanced by one poster that college basketball has passed us by is incorrect . Mark has not figured out how to get his shooters involved. Looking at UMass and Duquesne, they had no problems hoisting three-point shots. …the Bonnies too many times rarely get as many good looks as opponents. Ball movement isnt really quick and crisp. It’s all about get the ball to Chad and see what happens. The scoring droughts we have experienced this year are painfuland far too frequent. I trust Mark is reflecting on what’s going on/not going on.. I’m sure he is. We have plenty of good players but they have not melded into a good team,
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Post by letsgobonas on Feb 11, 2024 7:36:04 GMT -5
Coach needs to recruit better players. The Bonnies and the Dukes, for that matter, are really not good teams. Getting cast offs from D-1 schools is not the answer. There is a reason they did not play much at their previous school. They were not good enough. We need to recruit the same way Dayton does. I hope it all comes about. Not to burst your bubble, but we have four 1,000-pt scorers on this team... they weren't cast-offs... they are talented, but Coach is not bringing their best out of them... there are a number of things wrong with this team on the floor, but Mark should take most of the blame as he either isn't motivating them or doesn't have the right plans in place to help them succeed. What team across the entire country has four 1,000-pt scorers and won't make the NCAA Tournament this season? Only the Bonnies.
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Post by bonawolf02 on Feb 11, 2024 9:10:45 GMT -5
Coach needs to recruit better players. The Bonnies and the Dukes, for that matter, are really not good teams. Getting cast offs from D-1 schools is not the answer. There is a reason they did not play much at their previous school. They were not good enough. We need to recruit the same way Dayton does. I hope it all comes about. Not to burst your bubble, but we have four 1,000-pt scorers on this team... they weren't cast-offs... they are talented, but Coach is not bringing their best out of them... there are a number of things wrong with this team on the floor, but Mark should take most of the blame as he either isn't motivating them or doesn't have the right plans in place to help them succeed. What team across the entire country has four 1,000-pt scorers and won't make the NCAA Tournament this season? Only the Bonnies. Agree - there is talent on this team. After 23 games, I'm bewildered they have not uncovered an identity - just sat watching that game yesterday shaking my head. Been doing that a lot this season. Some consistent traits that we have witnessed - Out-prepared - this team was not ready for this game - Dukes very clearly were. The Bonnies have not been prepared for a lot of games this season....A LOT No Adaptation - how can you just watch possession after possession - the Dukes come down the floor, run the same D#%M set and get an easy score at the basket? ZERO defensive changes the ENTIRE game.....ENTIRE GAME - ZERO Slog of an Offense - the ball does not need to go into Venning EVERYTIME down the floor.....it just doesn't Shooters are not getting shots - Mika needs to shoot a minimum of 8-10 threes a game - just one example Urgency - Why wait to bring urgency until you're down 10 under 8 minutes? Why does this happen? Question was posed earlier - have we experienced Schmidt's ceiling with this program? If we had the opportunity - should we consider a Gerry McNamara or a Brian Earl (Cornell) as a replacement knowing the current state of the game and the direction it will continue to go in? Merely asking for discussion purposes. Go Bonas!
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Post by BONA82.5 on Feb 11, 2024 9:16:34 GMT -5
FOOD FOR THOUGHT :
AFTER 11 A10 Games
Last years team : 7-4 in A10 / 13-11 overall This years team : 5-6 in A10 / 14-9 overall
Considering the significant upgrade in TALENT that is this year's team, the data would seem to indicate that COACH is not having his finest hour ...
Trying real hard to believe that Mark will "right the ship" - but the eye-test tells me the product he is currently putting out there will finish in similar fashion to last year's Dumpster fire ... (Hope I'm wrong)
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Post by gregmitch70 on Feb 11, 2024 9:32:38 GMT -5
As posters have noted or hinted, it was clear (again) yesterday which team was better prepared, and as the game went on, outcoached, offensively and defensively. For one thing, they had a dozen easy cuts and lay-ins to basket and we had maybe two, but then we've shown almost no movement to basket--except one on ones--all season. People have complained in past about Schmidt being "stubborn," which can be good or bad, but this year, bad. All the claims in past that "he always draws up great plays coming out of timeouts" and "usually has us off to fast start in 2nd half" largely missing. But what also bugs me is: In this day and age, if you watch or read about a lot of post-game pressers in various sports, it is not unusual at all to hear head coaches take part of the blame for bad game. Bigtime NFL coaches are often humble and honest enough to often say, "We did not prepare well enough" or "coaches need to do better" or even "I needed to do better job." Have you EVER heard a word of this from Schmidt? It's always on the players--"they did not execute well enough" or "our guys got outhustled" or some such. That arrogance probably also played a part in partial benching of Mika for not one but four games.
Many here have claimed all year, and still assert, that "we have great talent." If that is true--and we can debate that--what is the explanation for how we are playing? Don't use the usual "we just need time to play together" when 6 of the key players were here last year and the two main players brought in were 4 year starters elsewhere. And most A10 teams are a ragtag bunch of veterans, transfers and freshmen.
That said, would LOVE to see team take off over the next month or so.
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